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Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 5.Dec 19:09, 2018
Had to dig up the thread as I think this fits here better than anywhere else. Valverde recently did an interview and one of the cutest things from the interview was when he talked about the Worlds and after he'd won. He said that his daughter asked him, Why are you crying if you won? He said basically in trying to explain it to her later that he said you'll understand when you're older.

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 5.Oct 18:04, 2018
Just in case anyone is wondering. Movistar is unveiling the new rainbow jersey for Valverde on Sunday in Madrid with some ceremonies and a bike ride with fans. He will then be going to Italy to race 3 races the final one being Lombardia. Movistar has announced he's racing:
Oct 9 - Tre Valli Varesine
Oct 10 - Milan Torino
Oct 13 Lombardia

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 4.Oct 01:44, 2018
Yes, I'm still thrilled Alejandro won the Worlds. One of my friends (who is also a friend of Alejandro's) told me he's already getting tired of the protocols that come with being World Champion, although he does appreciate all the fans and the huge celebration his home city threw for him. He's still very excited about having one and is really looking forward to showing off his new Rainbow jersey at Lombardia.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 4.Oct 01:29, 2018
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You will never get the peloton 100% clean, though I believe these kind of factors truly indicate a cleaner peloton. Less doping > less energy to spare > slower climbing with more closed races, despite better training, material, food and medical knowledge of generally more professional teams.

And in my opinion Roglic is a too strange situation to say he is a doping rider. Roglic was originally a very talented ski jumper, but during his junior/U23 years he sustained a heavy injury. For his recovery he needed to ride bicycles. Only at that moment his cycling career started and was his talent uncovered, though we still don't know his true potential. His pro career with Jumbo only started at the age of 27. I am not saying he is clean, but his career is just odd.

Froome is clearly too ridiculous to be clean and he has actually been caught, plus additional suspicious situations around him, his team and British cycling. He was a mediocre climber at Barloworld. His only pre-Sky Tour he finished outside the top 80, despite early breakaways in mountain stages. He infamously parked his bike on a typically heavy Italian hill in the Giro or Tirreno. He never showed any form of talent, despite a full pro career (unlike Roglic). His only pro victory was an one day race in South Africa (Giro di Capo) in 2009, before Jay-Jay Thompson (nowadays domestique at DDD), Daryl Impey and a bunch of unknown African riders.

At the age of 27, in the year of his breakthrough Vuelta, his contract was expiring without Sky intending to extend his contract. Froome wasn't even supposed to ride that race, but an injury of Nordhaug resulted in a surprise start. After that Vuelta his contract was suddenly extended and within 18 months he was evolved in one of the best GT riders of the history and the best of his generation.

At least Armstrong won a Tour stage and the World title before his dominance, without the US Postal program. I don't believe Motorola was rich enough and they were not dominant enough anyway.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Wednesday 3.Oct 11:35, 2018
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Slower ascents times do not directly indicate that the peleton is clean.

Sorry, but storys like Froome or Roglic are too good to be true.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Wednesday 3.Oct 10:17, 2018
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Yes ... this is partly what i'm trying say ... thank you Victor ... good post :))

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 3.Oct 00:43, 2018
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The total factor of all regular climbs in cycling indicate slower climbing times post-EPO than during that era, despite having more closed tactical races with only a battle on the final climbs, better equipment and better guidance, both medical (regular) and non medical (e.g. training, food). Especially on longer climbs it's more notably visible how most top climbers don't even come close to the record times of around 2000, when the period seemed to be on its peak.

I can give you the times on a mountain like the Alpe d'Huez typically average for the development in mountain climbing times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d%27Huez#Fastest_ascents. The fastest ascent beyond 2006 on the standard 13.8 km climb is only the 23rd (Quintana in 2015) and only two others barely in the top 40 (Quintana in 2013 on 37, Purito on 40 in the same year), in their prime two of the best climbers of the past 10 years. Additionally, see which mediocre climbers and domestiques from between 1994-2006 ascended faster on that climb than multiple Grand Tour winner Quintana in his prime.

Another good indication is the lack of battle in the major classics and mountain stages in the Grand Tours, due to their lack of the same almost unlimited energy from the EPO and other PED's. Races become more tactically with mostly only a war between the GC contenders in the final few kilometers. Even more mountain stage victories go to attackers, after their own earlier breaks, while the GC contenders have their battle minutes after the winners in many occasions. The same reason why mountain jerseys are barely won anymore by a GC contender, but mostly by an attacker, who solely ends up high in GC due to his time won in those stages (despite losing time earlier).

In that perspective the climbing times on hills like Huy are useless as counter argument. On the contrary, it even strengthens my point. Hilly classics like LFW with uphill finishes are nowadays basically bunch sprints uphill, while in the past the races opened up earlier, making modern climbing times faster than the past. Just look at a sprint between early escapees in a flat stage and a regular bunch sprint. The final kilometer of Wallays and Bystrom in the Vuelta was much slower than of sprinters like Sagan and Viviani in the same sprint. The same goes for similar situations and for uphill sprints like in LFW.

The predictability and differences of the weather isn't different, so I don't think that's a real factor.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Tuesday 2.Oct 20:07, 2018
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My point is ... climb times up anything doesn't prove dick ... I don't say anything about wether i belive the field is clean or not ... i don't know ...
But if i would point out a indicator... I say the sprinters drop out in the tour was a good sign for a cleaner field ... better than climb times proves the opposite anyway ...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 2.Oct 19:48, 2018
How many times was it just a bunch sprint up Mur de Huy in the 90s?

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Tuesday 2.Oct 19:42, 2018
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Disagree ... if the development, equipment and conditions, not to mention tactical riding, is in consideration, this sais it all :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 2.Oct 19:28, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 3rd FC-manager last 6 weeks
2018:1 km@11,1%---2:48---average speed 21.43 km/h(Julian Alaphilippe)
2017:1 km@11,1%---2:53---average speed 20.81 km/h(Alejandro Valverde)
2016:1 km@11,1%---2:52---average speed 20.93 km/h(Alejandro Valverde)
2015:1 km@11,1%---2:49---average speed 21.30 km/h(Rodriguez-Froome)
2015:1 km@11,1%---2:53---average speed 20.81 km/h((Valverde-Alaphilippe-Albasini-Rodriguez-Moreno)
2014:1 km@11,1%---2:41---average speed 22.36 km/h(Alejandro Valverde)-RECORD

1999:1 km@11,1%---3:36---average speed 16.66 km/h(Michele Bartoli)
1998:1 km@11,1%---3:11---average speed 18.85 km/h(Bo Hamburger)
1997:1 km@11,1%---3:10---average speed 18.95 km/h(Laurent Jalabert)
1996:1 km@11,1%---3:03---average speed 19.67 km/h(Lance Armstrong)
1994:1 km@11,1%---3:12---average speed 18.75 km/h(Argentin-Furlan)
1993:1 km@11,1%---3:39---average speed 16.44 km/h(Maurizio Fondriest)

yep, clearly cleaner now than in the dirty years of pantani, riis, lance and ullrich.
21 km/h versus 18 km/h, nothing to see here!

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Tuesday 2.Oct 19:14, 2018
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I can't belive i'm doing this :D ... but according to your list below ... Valverde did no better than 2.52 last 3 years ... and that's not top 25 .... so I guess my post barely survies :D

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Tuesday 2.Oct 19:02, 2018
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Do you got an updated one ?

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Tuesday 2.Oct 18:59, 2018
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:D ... a little fast there :D ... sorry

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 2.Oct 18:54, 2018
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read the bottom line

Updated; Monday 18.May, 2015

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Tuesday 2.Oct 18:50, 2018
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This is stupid fragail prove, even as a indication ... but i know EPO think this actually proves doping . .. climb times

Notice NO 2016 2017 or 2018 times .... that should raise EPOs eyebrows a little bit :D


Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 2.Oct 18:37, 2018
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this is accurate: https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/1047057105310703616

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 2.Oct 01:22, 2018
Here are a couple of comments Valverde made after the race yesterday and then today.
He said he still has some more time left to race. However when he does finally retire he can be at peace. That he is definitely racing Lombardia and can't wait to get there with the new Rainbow Jersey. He also said if he could race tomorrow or sooner with the rainbow jersey he would do it. He said he's definitely racing the next two years as he still want's another shot at the Olympics. He said this win is the biggest one of his career.

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 2.Oct 00:22, 2018
NBC actually showed a 2 hour version of the race and podium last night. Unfortunately missed the first half hour because no one knew they were showing it. Christian Vandervelde and Paul Sherwin were the ones doing the broadcast. When it came to about 1k to go you could tell Christian really wanted Valverde to win and after it was over you could tell he was very happy for Valverde. Christian has said Valverde is one of his friends in the peloton. Remember he retired in 2012 and has said multiple times he still has friends in the peloton and Valverde is one of his friends. They both did talk about the fact that last year they thought his career was over, but are glad he's back. Christian made a comment about it being a fairytale for him to come back and win the Worlds this year.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Monday 1.Oct 13:52, 2018
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Victor ! ... you woke the beast :D .... agree ... just enjoy the show ... a good advice to you too EPO...

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Monday 1.Oct 13:11, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yeah, that's my right.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 1.Oct 12:39, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 3rd FC-manager last 6 weeks
Also this: https://twitter.com/JamieHaughey/status/1046412480745025536

Just enjoy the circus show indeed.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 1.Oct 12:38, 2018
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LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Monday 1.Oct 12:36, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I'm just enjoying the show. Must be tiring to keep guessing constantly that who could be clean and who's on the gear.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 1.Oct 12:31, 2018
Viktor: It is not blasphemy to point out that Fränk was involved in Puerto, Andy however ;)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 1.Oct 12:24, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 3rd FC-manager last 6 weeks
A Puerto blood bag, which also contained EPO, matched Valverde's DNA. But it's true, he never tested positive in a normal drug test. Testing works great, doesn't it...

And it's also strange that he did not go slower after his doping ban, quite the opposite actually. Below are his climbing times on Mur de Huy in Fleche Wallone.

2018 - 2:52
2017 - 2:53
2016 - 2:52
2015 - 2:53
2014 - 2:41 ALL TIME RECORD
2013 - 2:56
2012 - 3:51
2011 - found Jesus and decided to quit doping while banned...
2010 - 2:56
2009 - 2:57
2008 - DNS
2007 - 2:51
2006 - 2:51
2005 - 3:38


But I don't assume that he is any worse than the others. In fact he is loved in the peloton, what does that tell you? Doping is okay as long as you are very good at pretending that you don't. Say the right things to the media to uphold the Omerta, or just don't say anything at all. If you are honest you will be made an example of, like scapegoats Riccardo Rico and Jan Ullrich. Eddy Merckx tested positive SEVERAL TIMES, yet he was paraded around the Champs Elysees while Lance wasn't even allowed to come to the Tour. Norwegian cycling guru Johan Kaggestad still gets an erection and foams at the mouth into his moustache when he talks about the cycling legend Merckx, but he still pretends very hard to hate other dopers. I guess it's very hard to be consistent with your bullshit when you have been lying to your audience every summer for almost 20 years.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Monday 1.Oct 03:25, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Also his normally team rival Quintana congratulated Valverde sincerely. I think at least 95% of the insiders and followers of pro cycling will think it's a well deserved victory based on his total career and the fact Piti always races for the victory from January until October. I am one of those 95% and the majority of the Dutch speaking world seems to agree as well. He also said he continues to at least Tokyo 2020 as long as his body accepts it.

On the doping ban: Yes, he has been banned and was a very likely user of doping just like 99% of the World Tour level pro's, but unlike e.g. Contador or Froome Valverde never has been actually tested positive on PED's or caught on the possesion of doping whatsoever. He was banned based on contacts with Fuentes, unlike the at least dozens of other athletes in that programme. Ironically not even by the Spanish agencies, but by the Italian CONI.

And the Flemish commentator had some interesting statement: Valverde entered the sport in a dirty era (pro since 2002) and is since his ban and the end of the end of Operacion Puerto a lot better in the cleaner era than before his ban during the Fuentes times, indicating he has a lot of basic talent and a highly professional attitude as a pro. Indications of a cleaner sport include slower winning climbing times on the hills and mountains and the closest off races with less physical opportunities for the team leaders, despite better and more professional regular medical guidance.

If you think about it, some so called top riders & talents (including T. Dekker, Cunego and, sorry for the blasphemy, the Schleck brothers) from the EPO era with contacts with dubious doping doctors like Fuentes and Ferrari became mediocre peloton fillers afterwards, including a few caught riders (e.g. Di Luca & Schumacher).

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 30.Sep 22:48, 2018
There's also a ton of haters on the English language cycling publication's facebook pages as well. Those guys are getting really unhappy about how many fans are actually happy. Then get more upset when you call them out about it as they are trying to ruin everyone's day because they are upset.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 30.Sep 22:09, 2018
I'm here. Was crying tears of joy when I woke up with about 4km left in the race and knew it was. This is awesome! A very long time coming for him. He did say in comments after the race that he still has some time left to race, but now he can retire and be at peace. Seeing him crying because he was so happy. Then on the podium where he was trying not to cry.

As for Twitter it depends on who you follow how much of the hate you see. Obviously the Spanish pages are mostly thrilled. Also looked liked many in the peloton were saying congrats. Purito tweeted an emoji of a gold medal within seconds of the race ending.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 30.Sep 22:04, 2018
18th FC-manager overall
There was some decent action indeed EPO. But from a personal note, the twitter action would have been better if Gianni would have won :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 30.Sep 22:04, 2018
23th FC-manager overall
Truly and deeply happy for Valverde’s title.
I mean, 2 silver and 4 bronze, this guy deserve it, for sure!
Great to watch him winning!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 21:43, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 8th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Shush EPO. Do you want to incur the wrath of Koronin?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 30.Sep 21:35, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 3rd FC-manager last 6 weeks
I'd say there was plenty of Twitter action following Valverde's win. Not everyone has forgotten about his Operacion Puerto blood bags with EPO :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 21:35, 2018
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Don't go on twitter Assassin. I take it young Gianni gets a lot of people animated on there too. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 30.Sep 21:08, 2018
18th FC-manager overall
To be honest I was looking forward to all the usual twitter brigade dying a thousand deaths when he won. I have popcorn in the house and was ready to open it and sit back to watch :D But probably for the best for now....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 20:47, 2018
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Think it might be for the best, both for cycling and himself, that Moscon doesn't get such an elevated platform to air his views, and opinions just yet. Maybe in a few years down the line.

Cordi3 [Rioja] Sunday 30.Sep 18:52, 2018
Kreuziger was my 1st reserve damnnnnnnn
Almost win the Worlds...

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 30.Sep 18:35, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Most deserved winner over the past 10-15 years

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 18:12, 2018
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Electric tricycle it is then. :)

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 30.Sep 17:57, 2018
28th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Very deserved win for Valverde. I hoped Moscon could hang on in the hell climb and sneak in an attack in the finale, he just missed 1 min of effort

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 30.Sep 17:56, 2018
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On whatever you wish :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 17:52, 2018
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What? On a tricycle?

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 30.Sep 17:04, 2018
18th FC-manager overall
I have you as favourite for home worlds next year mate

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 16:56, 2018
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Always good when an oldtimer shows those young bucks how to ride. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 16:40, 2018
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Hope Koronin hasn't had a heart attack. :)

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 16:38, 2018
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About time :D

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 30.Sep 15:23, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I question the amount of team leaders of Belgium. Teuns, Wellens, Van Avermaet, Benoot en Hermans all started as protected riders.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 15:20, 2018
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Van Avermaet on a Rio quest ?

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 15:00, 2018
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Roglic on his ass

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 30.Sep 14:57, 2018
And this is why he didn't had a star

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 14:45, 2018
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With rest of Slovakia :D

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 14:44, 2018
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Sagan out

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 13:31, 2018
Together with a group of mates from early adulthood I've formed a group where we take turns to invite to dinner and drinks at our respective homes 4-5 times a year. And we're still reminiscing about incidents at Roskilde festivals we attended over ten years ago - so I suspect as much Aragonite :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 13:23, 2018
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Only joking Partykjeppen. :) It's those incidents which make memorable times memorable, and give you things to talk about forever and a day. :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 13:01, 2018
Aragonite - far from it, I'd say any event like this hasn't been legendary if there hasn't been some small incidents, especially one that goes on for several days and nights. I had to walk slowly home and even had time to pick up Chinese take-away on foot in order to not come home with three days of accumulated tipsiness before the kids had been put to bed after the RR :)

And Tomas - I have to ask whether or not you guys were there in time for the first local lap ;)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 30.Sep 13:00, 2018
Laurent to be World Champion if the peloton doesn't start decreasing gap soon

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 30.Sep 12:53, 2018
@Kjeppen; if you mean watching it on tv right under Fløyen next to the uphill cobbles section - so yes we did that when there was no riders in sight while standing outside. I even held hands with Fjellda there at several occasions during the final laps.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 30.Sep 12:45, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 8th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seems all your dirty secrets are coming out with regards that week in Bergen. Was it so bad that it has taken a year to come to terms with it, and finally talk about it?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 12:40, 2018
Biggest question for me is whether I’ll be able to avoid the outcome of this race until I’m done watching it Tuesday evening

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 12:30, 2018
My safest prediction today is for Pozzovivo to finish between 5th and 8th.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 12:29, 2018
No wonder neither Finns nor Sogndal are producing a lot of top level athletes at the moment ;) #MixuPaatelainen

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 30.Sep 12:27, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
meh only just first few hours :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 12:22, 2018
To be fair Tomas, didn’t you and PartyFinn watch most of the Bergen RR on a TV after being too hungover after our antics with the French junior team (plz don’t misconstrue that statement). Andy and I, however, were in place in Salmon Hill long before the action started :) #Stamina

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 12:11, 2018
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I will never forget my near hartatack I Melbourne 2010 either ... bored to death race for 6 hours and BAM there he was .... the bull :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 30.Sep 12:01, 2018
My best would have to be Mendrisio back in 2009 - Cancellara in beast mode, with Evans snagging it in the end. Bergen also legendary, but don?t feel I got to ?see? it proper while being on site.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Sunday 30.Sep 11:16, 2018
Andy - That moment was when I decided to become a better person.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 10:52, 2018
9th FC-manager overall - 10th FC-manager last 6 weeks
But yeah ... it might be bypassed today .... this last climb today will be a classic ... let's just hope the race is still on by then ...

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 10:46, 2018
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The most memorable wch race i saw was BERGEN ITT.... by far....

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Sunday 30.Sep 10:37, 2018
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This is just a mess for me ... all this strong teams, riders and climbs .... I think the only reasonable I can say for this one is .... the guy whit the best day, with the least respect for the course wins :D ... and that can very well be Alaphilippe

With that being said ... I suspect this course to be a little too hard for even Alaphilippe .... so maybe more of a pure climber day or Varlverde ....

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 30.Sep 10:32, 2018
Bergen Epo, just for the moment me and Kjeppen saw Docker mustache live

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 30.Sep 05:53, 2018
One note of interest. Valverde said that he is more rested before this Worlds than he has been in recent years before the Worlds. He's also not trying to downplay his chances. That is unusual and it appears he actually has some real confidence in his chances. Something else that is unusual as he usually doesn't have much confidences in what he can do. Somehow we have a rider with massive talent and very little confidence in his own abilities.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 30.Sep 01:07, 2018
Same company for flight from Granda to Madrid as from Madrid to Munic. And it did not say closed it said last call for boarding. Getting a flight the next day only happened AFTER the TEAM argued with them for about 2-3 hours at the airport.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 30.Sep 00:49, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
The profile in Rio was much easier than what the riders get in this World Championship.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 29.Sep 23:58, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 3rd FC-manager last 6 weeks
Most memorable Worlds road race? For me it's Firenze 2013 where Rui Costa won. (Only watched 2012-2017.)

sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 29.Sep 23:39, 2018
28th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Too hard the parcours for Sagan to have a shot, but hey he is Sagan if someone can have a miracle race it's him

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 29.Sep 23:39, 2018
How good was Hushovd really in 2001? Maybe his best performance in career at the TT in Sydney, but wasn't that good sprinter back then I think and had problems with the lengths on races until 2009 also.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 29.Sep 23:23, 2018
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Was gonna say, that shows what a bunch of nerds are on this site, that the 3 time in a row reigning world champ doesn't even get a star. But GVA did win in Rio. Also I heard that Hushovd dropped the 2001 Worlds due to the course being hopeless for his characteristics. It ended in a bunch sprint won by Freire with Zabel in 5th...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 29.Sep 22:45, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 8th FC-manager last 6 weeks
No star for the Super Slovak.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Friday 28.Sep 11:18, 2018
Norwegian is a cheap airline company. If you buy a ticket for 1/10 of the noraml price, expect 1/10 of the service as well.. and the Norwegian is surprizingly good to be a cheap one.
There is nothing wrong in not allowing on board people that arrive after the gate is closed. It is normal procedure for everyone regardless of the airlines. The question is why the delayed flight company did not take responsibility for their fault, ..or maybe they just did, by arranging the alternative route as you describe?

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 27.Sep 22:14, 2018
It's ok. I hope not. There are a lot of Spaniards not happy with the airline over this. The plane was still there and at the terminal when they were refusing to allow the team to board.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Thursday 27.Sep 22:12, 2018
9th FC-manager overall - 10th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sorry Koronin ... i was joking ... no problems for the norwegian team as far as I know ...

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 27.Sep 22:05, 2018
So we have two teams with airline issues? Wow. And two teams with airlines that should be nicer to them. The Spanish team is flying Iberia.

goon1221 [Jinx.inc] Thursday 27.Sep 21:31, 2018
9th FC-manager overall - 10th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Add Norwegians to that .... literally :D ( the airlines name is " Norwegian " :D )

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 27.Sep 20:42, 2018
The Spanish National men's team has just had a major problem getting to Innsbruck. They were supposed to get there tonight, however they are currently stuck in Madrid due to a flight delay and the air line refusing to allow them to broad their connecting flight. They will get to Italy sometime tomorrow after the team had to fight with the air line for several hours to get a new flights re-booked for extremely early in the morning. My only conclusion on this is that Spanish airlines are just as bad as US airlines are.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 27.Sep 14:31, 2018
Funny that the only rider without any FC ranking points this season is Rory Sutherland, and he was still selected ahead of Bling

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 27.Sep 05:13, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Regarding cycling I have never had that issue to be honest, but that's maybe because I live in a nation where cycling is a big sport and the most races I watch are on the Flemish Sporza, where it's the national sport. The only new things I hear from them are things a regular non professional can't know, like tactical stuff from team cars. Sporza has with Jose de Cauwer (former road captain of Zoetemelk, former DS and former NT coach) the best commentator you can imagine.

The only times Dutch commentators tend to think I am a newbie watcher is on the Olympics in sports only shown on Dutch tv once every 4 years. And I don't know what they do at Eurosport Benelux, but all their commentators are that bad I have put my tv settings on English where possible. Which are on cycling no issue regarding treating their viewers as grown-ups. Just like the TDU commentators.

I think it may have to do with the national culture. If a sport has a certain popularity they expect their watchers to have enough basic knowledge to only tell new stuff, the same reason British (and Dutch) ones don't explain the regular football rules. British people are just expected to know this stuff.

But than again, the majority of those US races streams were/are probably people with already a minimal interest and knowledge in cycling, so no reason to tell basic stuff. Especially including European viewers in our evenings.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 26.Sep 22:18, 2018
I agree it doesn't happen nearly as often in other sports. Although in the NFL every year there are conversations for weeks about exactly what some penalty is because they changed the rules yet again. At this point no one what what constitutes a catch anymore. Yes cycling commentators are good at trying to explain every little thing like no one has a clue what they are watching. It gets worse when they either refuse to acknowledge riders who don't speak English (that happens a lot) or all their info about the team is wrong and you'd prefer them to go back to just ignoring them again.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 26.Sep 11:09, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 8th FC-manager last 6 weeks
All the British commentators are a little like that. Constantly explaining the simplest of stuff as if the viewers are watching the sport for the first time. Doesn't seem to happen very often in other sports. How often does a football commentator explain the offside rule, or a golf commentator tell you what a par is?

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 26.Sep 07:07, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Re on ''Not like what our commentators are saying most of the time make any sense anyway.'' >

In the past when I could still watch the streams on the tickers, without geo blocking, of the bigger US races (Cali, Colorado, Utah) the original commentators on there, including I thought CX rider Jonathan Page, just made me cringe. Not by their lack of knowledge, but rather the way they talked. Like I was an 8 y.o. kid watching cycling for the first time.

By the worst ever of the languages I can understand via those cycling streams (Dutch, English, German).

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 25.Sep 21:34, 2018
That wasn't nice of them, but at least you get the races. If I could find someone to give me a copy I could watch on DVD I wouldn't even care what language it was in. Not like what our commentators are saying most of the time make any sense anyway. I need to find these older races on line somewhere so we can upgrade the DVR. Unfortunately most of the streams on line aren't available to watch in the US.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Tuesday 25.Sep 08:36, 2018
Not the same league as you, Koronin - but when I sat down on my turbo trainer last night I was really looking forward to watching the U23 ITT on my PVR. HOWEVER, the Norwegian broadcaster apparently isn't making these races available to watch "as live" as they usually do.

Ended up watching the TTT pluss 30 kms of the second stage of Tour de Suisse instead. If nothing else it offered up a bit of mental gymnastics as I was wondering why Ackermann was riding at the front, but soon transpired from my BRAINZ that it obviously was Burcus Marghart as he was the wearer of the German jersey at that time.

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 24.Sep 23:32, 2018
Of course over here it's either have the Olympic Channel or pay for NBCGold or maybe Fubotv. We need to upgrade our DVR so we can get the Olympic Channel and I have races on the currently one I don't want to lose. Unfortunately it's not possible to get them off the DVR so I need to find another way to get those off so we can upgrade and get more races on TV. GRRR!!!!!!!!! It was much easier when you recorded stuff to a VHS tape.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 24.Sep 13:35, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 8th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Does he not have a record of spitting his dummy out? May have told them where to go when Porte pulled out. )

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 24.Sep 08:32, 2018
Matthews sitting this one out? Surprising.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Monday 24.Sep 08:06, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
and they skipped Bling for this :D Not that he would've won, but c'mon..

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Monday 24.Sep 07:18, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Schulz replacing Porte

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 24.Sep 01:02, 2018
28th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Cataldo winning the final spot for Italy over Visconti was a surprise, but I guess it makes sense since he is a better domestique in a team that have too many free rider

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 20.Sep 22:46, 2018
Spain's RR team is now finalized. Fraile has the last spot.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 20.Sep 16:41, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 8th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Just tried to pick my team. What a treat we have in store. :) Easy fifteen riders, I want on my team. Got all the makings of the one day race of the season.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Tuesday 18.Sep 19:46, 2018
23th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Dutch team is finalized: https://www.knwu.nl/nieuws/wk-selectie-wegwielrennen-bekend

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 18.Sep 17:34, 2018
Spain's RR team is almost finalized:
E Mas
I Izagirre
Jesus Herrada
de la Cruz
the last spot is either Landa or Fraile, dependent on Landa's health

Elite TT team not close to finalized. Not sure about the other teams.

MiguelSimoes 35 [Pro Cycling Team 35] Tuesday 18.Sep 15:32, 2018
Final Portugal startlist
Men RR - Rui Costa, Nelson Oliveira, Tiago Machado and Ruben Guerreiro
Men TT - Nelson Oliveira ans Domingos Gonçalves
Men U23 RR - João Almeida, Tiago Antunes, André Carvalho and Gonçalo Carvalho
Men U23 TT - João Almeida and Ivo Oliveira
Men JR RR and TT - Guilherme Mota and Afonso Silva

Link of the confirmation: http://www.fpciclismo.pt/index_noticia_ver.php?id_noticia_new=5523&pag=1

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 18.Sep 14:48, 2018
Time to do first draft goon :) Also Tom Wirtgen on Elite RR and U23 ITT, I didn't thought that was possible, he probably not going to race this anyway, but still strange.
And if you have final line-up to the nations, just give me a message and I delete the riders not going.