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Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 8.Nov 00:24, 2019
The Liquigas/Lampre of dynasty fantasy is suffering the fate of said teams as LSK Cycling is pulling is sponsorship and disbanding his team.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 8.Nov 00:20, 2019
Hello all,

In the summer I was stupid enough to promised MrsKjeppen a new kitchen after Il Lombardia, and sadly she was not inebriated enough to forget this as I was when making said promise. Facilitating that plus a new CEO changing things up at work has meant that dynasty fantasy has taken the backseat in my life for almost two weeks now. It'll never happen again, promise!

Thanks for all your feedback, it's imperative that participating managers make their voices head to replace or refine my madcap ideas.

Here's my revised suggestion for the 2020 season:
- Minimum of 27 riders
- Maximum of 30 riders + 3 stagiaries
- Any rider retiring by the end of 2020 can be released in the draft windon in early June. Wage will be docked until end of May. If the rider is retiring between start of June and end of the season (like Ninja Zubeldia retiring at San Sebastian), the manager is given the option of releasing the rider after end of May or paying wage/getting points for the rest of the season
- 10 draft picks in January window
- No steals after 7th round
- No transfer window in June
- 5 draft picks in June to sign unattached riders for any team not at max team size/budget
- All teams can sign up to three stagiaries in June, no wage deduction for these
- Any rider not riding for a PCT/WT-team at the start of June can be signed as a stagiaire
- Stagiaire draft is done before June-draft of unattached riders for eligible teams

Cordi3 [Rioja] Tuesday 5.Nov 13:29, 2019
I'm reading now the debate between Kjeppen and EPO about the steals... And I think there's a pretty simple solution to this issue. As it follows:

Open steals only allowed in 6 first rounds -> OK
But since round 7 onwards, steals remain allowed but only for riders that were unattached at the start of the draft. And then, people would rate the new signingns fairly.

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Wednesday 30.Oct 07:26, 2019
My idea for the summer draft,
- you will be able to release riders
- five draftpickts (or something) to sign freeriders
- if you have maxed out you are able to sign up till three stagiares

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 29.Oct 11:25, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
My opinion is the same from Sep.17th:
summer draft to add some promising young riders and/or to replace retired riders with unantached riders, ofc.

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 29.Oct 09:54, 2019
22th FC-manager overall
There is also a coding aspect to terminations btw. Since the season are split in two, there arent room in the system as of today to alter dates for rider contracts.

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 29.Oct 09:45, 2019
22th FC-manager overall
We must be able to terminate retired riders in the summer. It's not like their IRL teams are paying a full year.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 28.Oct 22:40, 2019
Agree that a stay for any riders signed under a different regulatory regime is sensible. So if anyone went in hard on Hupert Dupont or someone similar who has or will announce retirement before the start of the Dauphine next year, just post and we'll make arragements.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 28.Oct 22:29, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's a bit unfair though, as it couldn't be predicted. Sign someone for 2 years in January 2019, draft/transfer windows suddenly changed from 1/2 year to 1 year apart after shitty summer draft, then maybe someone announces that they retire in March 2020 and you can't kick them during the summer anymore.
The worst is that the rider can't be replaced, and then there's the wages on top of it.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 28.Oct 21:59, 2019
Fair question. Same for retirees and dopers - you are docked the complete season in wages.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 28.Oct 21:10, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Now that there's no summer draft, what happens if there's someone who announces before January that they will retire after Paris-Roubaix? Free to release the rider before the season or stuck with him?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 25.Oct 15:53, 2019
I will release on behalf of people over the weekend 🤗

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 15:02, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Regarding riders release stiil not able to.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 15:01, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seems right Epo, since there's no rounds limit.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 13:37, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Though not sure if it should be an _extra draft_ or just the possibility to revenge-steal in the 9th round, since unlike last year the 8th round won't be the final round.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 13:29, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You should have release buttons here: https://firstcycling.com/fcfseasonteams.php?ID=2152&y=2020

Answer to your question should be "yes". Extra draft to either revenge-steal or sign a free agent.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 13:21, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It would be nice to start to have the riders released in the Dynasty Page in order to make a first glance at the market..
Our friend Troy has made it already but missing riders released by the other teams already. Mine included.. :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Friday 25.Oct 13:18, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If you get stealed in the 8th round and you have already made your move you can reply in the next one only to the manager who steal from you, right?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 12:53, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
"As I see it, striking the right balance of number of draft picks and how long it's possible to steal are the remaning points to settle. We could say 10 drafts each, but more than 10 if you haven't reached 27 riders by the end of the 10th round. Steals allowed first 8 rounds."

This is more or less the same idea I had

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Friday 25.Oct 12:44, 2019
I prefer Supreme Leader Kjeppen, but agree there are some kinks to be ironed out,

Still, earlier we gave teams a wide rage of 20 min and 30 max. As it's always better to have the max number of riders, managers must give riders a proper wage not to be pillaged. Idea was that with two draft windows, you had the option to get some replacements in the summer if you lost a lot of riders in January.

This summer draft proved that this system needed a revamp. A lot of managers were already maxed out from January or didn't show up, effectively hampering them. I take that as a clear indication that one main draft in January will do.

With one draft and no chance to replenish in the summer, some streamlining of squad size rules is needed to make the playing field a bit more level. Basing those on the regulations for WT-teams is for me the most obvious thing as the most relevant, objective yardstick but also in the spirit of the game as well - what are we if not second rate Vincent Lavenus? (Obviously speaking for myself here).

As I see it, striking the right balance of number of draft picks and how long it's possible to steal are the remaning points to settle. We could say 10 drafts each, but more than 10 if you haven't reached 27 riders by the end of the 10th round. Steals allowed first 8 rounds.

After the 8th round, there won't be a lot of good riders left unattached where you could sign them at 1 Gadret without the fear of a steal. At the same time, at that point it wouldn't be fair to upend the whole draft if you sat on your Gadrets to make a big steal near the death either.

I've poked Tomasz to have a look, I'm at the point where it's better for someone with a new perspective so make the final adjustments :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 25.Oct 10:38, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Communist Kjepp:
Shouldn't 27 be the real minimum squad size instead? There should be some incentive to try to hold on to your riders. Not just "oh well I'll give this guy a $1 wage and hope for the best, and if not then I have unlimited drafts anyway".

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 24.Oct 22:34, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Noone will be finished after only 6 rounds? My team is pretty solid, and I still booted 6 guys earlier today, and there will be more.
And by the way, the minimum squad size will in reality be 30 due to the unlimited number of drafts, unless you choose to handicap yourself.

The fear of steals forces you to set proper wages. And for each draft round, the free agents have lower market value anyway. (Maybe $7 in round 6 and $4 in round 8.) Allowing steals for a few more rounds ensures that this loophole isn't as big. Being able to sign riders worth $7 at a cost of $1 without any risk isn't great for the game dynamics. $4 versus $1 is already a lot better at least. After ~12 rounds there won't be much value left, so there is some incentive to renew current contracts.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Thursday 24.Oct 22:00, 2019
I agree with some of this. Could one mitigating action be to allow steals until a later round? 8th? Or that after the 6th round, you can only steal from managers who have made a draftin the same round - donít think itía fair that people still drafting in the 10th round can steal from managers who were done in round 6 and not around to retribute.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 24.Oct 21:39, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
So basically everyone ends up at 30 riders. Unless they choose not to, which is a bad choice.
After draft round 6 there is no reason to give anyone a wage higher than $1. Pretty low for a rider scoring ~250 pts. Certainly higher pts/wage from that than by keeping someone who gets paid ten times as much. So I fire half of my team instead then. Not so much dynasty anymore. The draft will take several days because it's no longer 8 drafs each, but probably twice as much for many who have released half of their riders and been stolen from.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Thursday 24.Oct 20:38, 2019
I've read through the regulations for WT-teams for 2020:
https://www.uci.org/docs/default-source/rules-and-regulations-right-column/part-ii-road/2-roa-20200101-e-amendments-on-01.01.2020---updated-25.09.19.pdf?sfvrsn=83487f15_12

Squad sizes for WT-teams are minimum 27 and maximum 30 for WT-teams. We will follow this, so the rules will be as follows:

-Minimum squad size is 27
-Maximum squad size is 30
-Managers get unlimited number of drafts in January until budget or squad sized is maxed out or manager is happy and has reached miminum squad size
-Steals only allowed in six first rounds
-Picks from seventh round onwards can only be used to sign unattached riders

All teams get the option to sign three stagiaires for free for the rest of the season from June onwards. As there is no steals, trading or nothing, there is no need to do this in the traditional draft manner;
-All riders not riding for a WT- or PCT-team can be signed, regardless for age
-All managers interested in signing stagiaires send me their preferred rider in a ranked order by June 1st.
-Draft order is standings on June 1st reversed (worst placed team get first pick)
-I carry out the draw manually and post results on the board
-Managers either have to sign a stagiaire to a proper contract or release him by the end of December

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.Oct 12:37, 2019
21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Already opened for you I think ;) I have taken the freedom I got to kick out Porte from my team

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Wednesday 23.Oct 23:49, 2019
As we're making changes to the squad sizes and reducing the game to one draft window, managers can increase wages/extend contract for 8 riders on non-expiring contracts until 2020 rather than the usual 4. Tomasz should be opening self-release very soon :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 23.Oct 15:58, 2019
5th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
you can find full-season rider pts here:
https://firstcycling.com/fantasyrank.php
just sort by "fantasy 2020" and scroll down to your team name

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 22.Oct 22:36, 2019
full season points*

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 22.Oct 22:35, 2019
I'll continue the game with please.

But please display full saison on team pages and dynasty page instead of the current half of the season.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 22.Oct 19:31, 2019
21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
FC President :O

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 22.Oct 14:22, 2019
22th FC-manager overall
K92-Team Neverland/GF Group ;)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 22.Oct 13:29, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
K92-Team Neverland is expecting FC President decision about new team name to make our first Press Release regarding 2020.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 22.Oct 13:26, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Now starts the long desert cross until January...
Like the changes operated to 2020. :)

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 21.Oct 23:51, 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for renewing with riders with contracts expiring in 2019
31.12.19 - Deadline for increasing wage/extending contract for a set number of riders with contracts expiring in 2020
01.01.20 - 09.01.20 - Trade window
10.01.20 - 11.01.20 - Draft for 2020-season

Not long after Guangxi, managers will be able to release riders on an expiring contract themselves (though please post who you release). Any rider on a contract expiring in 2019 not renewed by the end of 31.12.19 will be autoreleased. Please keep in mind that any rider whose contract was ending in 2019 and renewed can't be traded in January (in order to reduce locking in of riders in pre-agreed transfers).

You will also get the chance to increase wage and/or extend contract length to 2021 for a set number of riders by 31.12.19 as well, details to follow soon.

Idea for 2020 is as outlined previously:
Draft in January
Much stricter guidelines on min/max squad sizes
Unlimited number of draft picks until max squad size or max budget is reached
Draft picks post a certain round can only be used for unattached riders
A summer draft every team gets to sign a set number of stagiaires if they'd like (two or three I reckon), but nothing else, no trading, no stealing, no nothing
Stagiaries can be signed freely from all levels below WT/PCT
Stagiaries are free/wage of 0 and the team get to decide whether to sign them to a contract or release them at the end of the season

Some details to be ironed out, but hopefully this will be helpful input for everyone's process of deciding to renew or release riders this fall. Still a bit torn on Narvaez, Rolland and Kuznetsov. The fact that there won't by any gems up for grabs in June (apart from youth) is tilting me more towards renewal.

For anyone not looking to continue in 2020 - let me know as soon as possible.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 17.Oct 20:01, 2019
21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
More news coming from Luxembourg Finest today. More riders will leave the team after the season and their contracts have expired.

Alex Kirsch
Alexis Vuillermoz
Emiel Planckaert
Jeremy Lecrocq
Michal Kwiatkowski
Mikel Nieve
Nicola Conci
Sep Vanmarcke
Vasil Kiryienka

Mr.Andyman says it is necessary to decrease current wage expenditures so we can afford an active draft round in January. More news will follow in the future, which will include contract renewals with a few riders.

sylvainm [sylvainm] Tuesday 24.Sep 15:19, 2019
From my team, will be released what ever happen now :

- Moscon
- Jones
- Gregaard
- Garcia de Mateos
- Houle
- Clarke
- Banaszek

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland/GF Group] Tuesday 17.Sep 11:29, 2019
28th FC-manager overall - 14th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I like the idea of a Summer Draft exclusively for stagiares, three maximum and for 2 years.
In January we build the team for the season and in June we add a few promising young riders, maybe with the chance to replace a retired rider (only for unattached riders, ofc).

Team Neverland is having conversations with a strong group regarding a futur partnership.
News to come soon this winter!

Kristian-K [Green Bullet Cycling] Tuesday 17.Sep 10:53, 2019
3 stagiares as in the worldtour would be a great addition to get the summerdraft more interesting!

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 16.Sep 22:40, 2019
Very fair points, Aragonite. I think the summer drafts have great when the majority were into them. This time most people were either maxed out and/or not prescent - meaning not a level playing field when a few of us did some good steals without repercussions.

It's quite the art striking the balance of making this kind of game interactive and action-packed enough, but too cumbersome either. I take this summer window as a hint that one big-assed draft in January plus a few staigaires in the summer might be worth a punt :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 16.Sep 16:45, 2019
16th FC-manager overall - 17th FC-manager last 6 weeks
One thing that was apparent from the Summer draft, there was a lot of really cheap steals to be had for anyone with a chunk of spare cash. I had intended getting rid of a good few riders, and holding a decent amount of gadrets to take advantage of this. Any changes to the rules obviously decides this. I think the main reason the Summer draft was such a damp squib was the lack of team places and cash available. But if there were a couple of DS's with similar intentions as myself the next Summer draft could get a bit feisty.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 16.Sep 12:09, 2019
21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Luxembourg Finest can confirm that Richie Porte has not been offered a new contract and is official free to talk to other teams.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Gregari] Monday 16.Sep 11:40, 2019
Looks like EPO is headed for back-to-back victories! Nice to see a retirement home actually performing well, as opposed to Trek ;)

I've started thinking about 2020 and a few improvements which should be made. This last draft was clear proof that the summer draft should either be altered or dropped. One idea is everyone getting to sign two stagiaires in the summer, but not trading nor stealing.

If we remove the second draft I think we should institute stricter guidelines for squad sizes at the end of the first - follow the WT-rules for minimum and maximum squad size for the season.

This will merely be bubbling away at the back of my head for the next 1-2 months, but feel free to post any thoughts or suggestions on improvements in general.

As far as the Gregaris go, it's clear that the following riders will be released at the end of the season:
Bazhkou
de Bie
Sammy Dumoulin
Kittel (what a waste of a pick)
Laporte
Nibali

Pondering what to do with Kuznetsov, Narvaez and Rolland.

There will be other changes to the squad as well, I have just agreed to the first transfer of the winter-window #SavioStyle.