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Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 21.May 02:53, 2017
Andy, I think you may be right that Conti teams aren't allowed per UCI rules to compete in WT races. Glad to see Rally making it a fun race.

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Saturday 20.May 23:00, 2017
Indeed. With Axeon there With their best team this would have been a great race. Rally was amazing though, and I'm so happy they were this sucessfull. To bad it only gave me a second Place on the last stage lol

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 20.May 22:55, 2017
Very fun last stage, made up for the producer big mistake yesterday. Rally really deserved a place in the race, and still doesn't understand why Axeon wasn't invited. More conti teams next year I hope, but fear the UCI rules says no.

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Saturday 20.May 22:47, 2017
Such a great end to this race. Rally Cycling the team that made this a real race and also Morton on the attack and getting heavily rewarded.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 20.May 12:18, 2017
Stake Laengen 6th gc ..... didn't see that coming. ... beside his 3rd on TT in the Giro last year ( weather advantage though ) his by far biggest performance in his career .... a break through ..... feels like he has been around for ever, and he is a late bloomer, but in fact, he is only 28 yo and 2 years younger than EBH .... REALLY ? :D

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 19.May 03:58, 2017
It would hard to find room above that big M to put easy to see initials as well. If I could post a picture I have one that shows how the name is on the back of the jersey. Yeah, even with initials it won't do much good for Jose and Jesus Herrada. LOL. You'd still have to be able to recognize which is which. Here's a link that hopefully works to show how the name info is done. It's their twitter account that they are using. http://stories.endurasport.com/alejandro-valverde/photos/3547289

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 22:29, 2017
That is better than nothing. But I was thinking more maybe their initials in a decent size on both front and back. Which thinking about it would still pose a question mark with those Herrada boys!

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 18.May 21:54, 2017
Aragonite, Movistar actually does have their riders names, well actually either their twitter accounts or personal web pages on the back of their jerseys. Those are up near the neck right under the small circle that has the flag colors of the riders home country.
The announcers had the wrong Movistar rider at Paris-Nice in the break in one stage. The announcers thought it was one of the Herrada brothers, but it was actually Soler. But then again in this case we are talking about Movistar and I swear most of the English language media prefers to ignore the entire team anyway.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 21:33, 2017
Wouldn't it be good if all riders were as distinctive as those just mentioned.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 21:18, 2017
Contadors elegance :))

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 21:17, 2017
Dan Martin is impossible to miss

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 21:16, 2017
Voeckler :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 21:07, 2017
If I had to pick the most obvious, both facially and body shape, it would have to be the Gorilla.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 18.May 20:59, 2017
To be honest, I just took their word, but I think I thought it didn't looked like Gallopin. I am not very good on getting faces right, the easiest in the world of cycling is Nils Politt, also called Mr.Teeth, impossible to get him wrong.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 20:52, 2017
You can understand them getting incorrect ID's occasionally. But when you as an unpaid fan can clearly see who it is, yet they can't and earn their living doing it. There has to be something wrong. They could of course end all the misID'ing if cycling followed most other sports and had the riders name somewhere on their kit.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 20:18, 2017
I was 100% sure it wasn't. ... we got a really good look at him, and it was pretty clear it was van der Sande :)))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 20:13, 2017
Did you realise it wasn't Gallopin? It can be annoying when you take their word, and end up shouting home the wrong guy.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 18.May 19:32, 2017
The commentators says a lot :) For instance in ToNorway it was Gallopin at second place on stage 1 according to Norwegian Tv2, so not just a issue about British Eurosport. It is definitely not a DSQ, but 20 to 60 sec time penalty maybe.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 19:27, 2017
British Eurosport commentator said the BMC rider was Bookwalter, i'll drop charges against him then. I thought it was a couple of cases of 'home team bias'. Have, to agree with you about Talansky. The amount, and speed that the drafting must of been, personally don't think a DQ would of not been appropriate. Not sour grapes either, I have both Talansky and Bookwalter sitting on 125%.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 18.May 19:11, 2017
Had Bookwalter problem at the end? The BMC rider was Drucker, and he didn't make it back. Talansky, however, got some seriously drafting and should have got time penalty, many others who has got that in the past for the same offense.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 18:58, 2017
Just watched stage4 again. There is no way Talansky and Bookwalter would of made it back on without huge assistance from their cars. Peloton was doing a good 60k trying to pull back the break, impossible for one rider to keep up, let alone gain ground.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 18:09, 2017
Ah ... Donaldo :D i see :D was way off there :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 18.May 18:06, 2017
Let's just say u may have a nuke dropped on ur head by Mr Trump :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 17:35, 2017
I am not sure what you mean Assassin, but i'm guessing i made a long list of people not like goon so much after this little explotion :D:D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 18.May 14:39, 2017
Congrats Goon, you just made Donaldo's long list :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 18.May 10:51, 2017
Schachmann is on same time as Talansky, and he is a good time trialist. I think he will lose too much today though, but as it stands now, he has a chance to beat Majka overall.

For me it was a good stage yesterday, tailwind and the peloton mistimed it, and there were splits in the peloton in the last 5 km, but no important riders lost time after all.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 18.May 10:15, 2017
The TT is a non tecnical 24 km compleatly flat at 2000 m ..... a rare thing that will learn us something about whos good and bad at this altitude .....

I just saw a rerun of last nights stage ... what a mess ... is this wt ? ..... really .... it's a joke is what it is .... on all levels ..... here i'm willing to give this stupid race a chance .... they answer it by trying to make me mad with that insane etarnal info flow at the bottom of the screen, they have no idea how far to go, and a wt peloton can't catch a small break :D and the photage ... wow :D .... what a joke this race is :D .... well, it makes it EASY to rank wt races when it comes to which to put at the bottom :D .... see .... i manage to put a positive spinn to it :D

PS. Death to America

PPS. THAT was a joke :D .... a bad one ? Yeah ... I guess .... sorry guys

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 18.May 07:57, 2017
Talansky's still pretty close. Depends how big is the margin after Baldy. Bookwalter's also still within reach.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 18.May 07:34, 2017
I know there is TT stage. I was asking if there is some good time-trialists in the bunch that can put more than a minute on Majka.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 18.May 00:17, 2017
Bit dubious how quickly Talansky got back on?

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 18.May 00:10, 2017
There is a TT and apparently it's at altitude, but I don't know for sure what the coure looks like for it.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 17.May 20:11, 2017
Kristoff said he didn't have the legs to go past him. Zabel could be coming of age.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 17.May 19:54, 2017
I picked my team in hurry, without checking the stages carefully. Picked Majka by pure sympathy.. now I see he may win this race, lol.

Do we have some pure TT on the line? Majka is not the best time-trialist (even if he has been working on that and improved a lot recently) I guess he need some 40-50 seconds before last stage to keep his jersey to the end.

What happened to Kristoff? Was it planned for Zabel to sprint? Or was it just too strong lead-out?

Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Wednesday 17.May 11:34, 2017
If he's going to have a cycling's longevity as his father did, he's still on time to build something...

With this weight issue around Alex maybe he can start thinking about getting a higher status inside Katusha...

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 17.May 05:30, 2017
Francisco, I agree. Tom's crash was not. Glad he seems to be ok.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 17.May 01:29, 2017
So far Rick Zabel is the revelation of May. Very strong lead-out again, but Kristoff never got past him, only Sagan. He deserves his own opportunities soon, maybe he get that already later in this race.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 16.May 15:54, 2017
I'd bet he can not remember anything about getting back on his bike after that crash. Dazed and confused, and a danger to himself and the rest of the peloton.

Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Tuesday 16.May 10:52, 2017
It was Koronin, a lot i must say...
Except Tom's crash, of course! Luckly, he posted a smile at the hospital...:)
This guy is incredible, did you saw him playing with fans while climbing in the 1st break?.. :)

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 16.May 01:53, 2017
Good stage today. I thought it was enjoyable to watch.

Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Monday 15.May 20:24, 2017
Same here, goon...:)
Yesterday, i couldn't resist with no more than 15/20 kms to go but today we will have some good action, I hope... :)

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 15.May 19:20, 2017
Looking forward to this stage .... Let's see if I can stay awake for once :D i doubt it though :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 14.May 20:44, 2017
http://microsofttourtracker.amgentourofcalifornia.com/

The race has started, and then we of course need a link to the TourTracker!

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 14.May 11:50, 2017

Sure, it's a hard manager to set becaus of the weak gc field, but if you simpifies it, it's no mystery at all .... I mean, theres some pretty clear TT/climb names here, and some huge sprint names ..... I guess what's complifies it, is weither to go "normal" 6 gc and 3 sprint, or maybe this is one of those races it's better to go with the sprinters/classics and leave the gc to the top 4 .....

The top 3 names is of course Talansky, Majka and Bookwalter, Georg Bennett is my 4th ..... the top sprint/classics names is Kittel, Degenkolb, Kristoff, Sagan and Viviani .... I mean, the team practically makes itselves :D thats what i ment with "no mystery" .... with that being said, i understand that the dropping game makes it a tough one :)))

Names that makes it difficult ... Gesink ... Craddock, Morton, Oomen and a bunch of SKY guys ... and stage winners like Phinney and Drucker ... Samuel Sanchez of course .... and some other names .... well, good luck guys :)))

PS. But please .... don't trust anything i say ..... I never do as i say in my posts :)))

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 14.May 07:34, 2017
This race doesn't typically have the best of GC fields. Sagan has won this one overall before. Heck if Movistar would have chosen to come to this race this year they could have fielded an entire team of riders 25 years old or younger and had the best option for GC, for that matter could have probably had the top 2 rider picks for GC. (I'm thinking of Ruben Fernandez and Marc Soler). As it if Talansky has any kind of form he may be the best option for GC as he did win the Duaphane (not sure I spelled that right) a few years ago.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 14.May 01:07, 2017
Well, he has won Tour de Pologne, as one of his few wins. Have to agree with you though, and he hasn't showed any extra-ordinary this season, but he is absolutely one of the favorites to win in Mt.Baldy.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 14.May 01:01, 2017
And someone like Majka traditional not good in short Tours as well.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 13.May 23:08, 2017
Very difficult to make a team here. Not the highest quality on climbers as you say. And many of them are in addition not very good in the TT.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Saturday 13.May 22:05, 2017
I've three sure people in my team, on the top spots. About the other 6, not so sure.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 13.May 21:59, 2017
Think 20.25 should be correct deadline time. That mean good time tomorrow to decide about the final team, I still only have one man who is secured a place on the team, that's of course Sagan.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Saturday 13.May 21:35, 2017
A nice sprint field, but that GC field is just horribly bad. A real pain for the eyes.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 13.May 09:49, 2017
By the look of this years parcours descriptions online, i must reconsider my rather negative mindsettings for this race .... I guess the BRAGING from the hard core in here, hasn't exactly helped this race over the years ..... a fucking sleeping pill is what it is :D ..... well, with that being said, I will now give it a chance, and actually look forward to it, and expect some good action ... stage 2 looks like potentially lots of fun ...... when it comes to team settings, it looks like the gc point out some pretty clear favourites, concidered a monster mtf and a semi long TT .... the TT/climb combination, and the fact that this now is WT, makes it quit easy .... ( words to eat later :D ) ..... the sprint field looks quit obvious also, so all in all, not a big mystery :)))

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 13.May 02:20, 2017
Glad you can understand most of what is said. :) That is always helpful.

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Saturday 13.May 01:36, 2017
I agree With Andy on this one. This being a WT-race makes it less fun.

A whole team with riders like Viviani's and Kittel's in an American race makes me sad, so I'll probably drop both.

I really look forward to Utah, Colorado and Alberta though, and hope that the Pro-conti teams will dominate there instead.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 12.May 16:10, 2017
Yes Andy .... thats my point ( a little humorus of course ) with my "criticism" of Partys art avancé sentences :D i actually loose it :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 12.May 15:36, 2017
Most important is that we understand each other even though many, inclusive me, doesn't write English that good.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 12.May 15:21, 2017
I'd guess that a lot of proverbs/ordtak from one language have something similar in a foreign language.
Pleased you can understand Goon, most of it anyway.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 12.May 14:45, 2017
Well, I am pretty bad in book english, but I understand most of your posts :))) so i guess that answer your question :)))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 12.May 14:41, 2017
I occasionally use English proverbs(googled-ordtak in Norwegian), then wonder afterwards how much sense these make to those who don't have English as their first language.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 12.May 09:27, 2017
Oh well, this is in "congruent" to your personality Party ( right ? ), and we need different personalities on this site ...... it's my own uneducated fault, i don't understand all your fancy words :D

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 12.May 00:03, 2017
Haha! Wrecking the site one word at a time.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 11.May 23:57, 2017
Sure .... to bad for us that are mostly interested in the sport itselfes, lose a little bit of interest when the thesaurus needs to be picked up from the bottom of the draw :D:D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 11.May 23:53, 2017
Party :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 11.May 23:53, 2017
Thats couse Logreid works hard presenting himself as an english-pro ;)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 11.May 23:51, 2017
The best stage profiles of the year had Vuelta a Madrid, really old-style. But enough of that, three decisive stages here it looks. A shame no Sierra Road on San Jose stage, but it has the punchy stage featured two years ago I think. Then the classic Mt.Baldy stage before a very unusual TT at altitude as Il Partykjepp points out. Talking about altitude, the UCI at highest altitude I know about the last 5 years is the old Vuelta a Bolivia who was at ~3000 meters for one week, a shame that race is no longer raced.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 11.May 23:49, 2017
You and I will have a sessions of geo- and trigonometry once you show up to an FC-party, Goon #Nomenclature

Also: I'm a wanker

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 11.May 23:43, 2017
It's funny .... when the Americas or the english wright their posts in here, i understand most ... but when norwegian Partykjepp wright his posts, i need to translate with google :D congruent ? Whaaaaat ? .... Know your audience Party :D we are not politicians .....

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 11.May 23:25, 2017
When fetching stage profiles I did two and three takes on the TT on stage six. Some flat races scale their stage profiles so that 50 meters increase in altitude look like they'll crest a HC-climb, whilst the slanted stage profiles of Tour de Suisse are equally shit every year.

But this time is really was warranted. A 24 kilometer TT at 2000 meters probably yields different results than one held at sea level with a congruent profile. Probably favours the teams/rides which train mostly on that continent?

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 11.May 21:55, 2017
At least this one is actually on TV, which is helpful. I am sad that Alaphilippe will miss this race due to that knee injury, which he just had surgery on to repair.
Not sure I'm happy about it being a WT event though as some of the smaller teams that have been there in the past are the ones that usually put on a show.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 11.May 19:59, 2017
Yes, but the first sentence make me react :) A shame no Alaphilippe this year, he has been flying here the two last years. I'm also not very happy that California is now WT and didn't invite Axeon, just think what Powless and Costa could have done here.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 11.May 19:52, 2017
Well, I had a positive spinn on it though :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 11.May 19:48, 2017
California is of course one of my favorite races, because of nothing is better than cycling in prime time. It has given some proper racing, I still remember Horner-stage in 2012, one of the best stages ever if you ask me.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 11.May 19:43, 2017
Far from my favourite race .... I mean, these us roads are just a big yawn .... but the hours of the race makes it a great sleep in drug, and the startlist is usaly nice .... Sagan with insane 15 stage wins, and as a decent gc guy for this race also, i'll be surprised if not close to 100 % of the players in here choose him as Captain .... how ever, he will get great competition on the stage wins this year .... both Kristoff and Degenkolb should be able to deny him a continium of his enormous winning rate here ..... :)))