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Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 22.Sep 21:56, 2018
Good news on the water in the attic. It came in the vent, so do roof leak. Also no damage and once we found the plug that needed the fuse reset all is working in the garage again.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 22.Sep 00:58, 2018
Did find a bit more damage. Some water got into the attic in the garage (seperate attic than over the house). We will get up there tomorrow and see how much damage. However enough that the electrical outlet doesn't work so the garage door opener isn't working. Will get an extension cord and plug it into another outlet to see if the door open is ok or not.

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 21.Sep 05:18, 2018
Pretty much. LOL

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 20.Sep 23:07, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Bring a bottle, bring a burger, bring a bun party? :)

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 20.Sep 22:46, 2018
Thanks guys.

"got back home party" Does that include tree removal? :) Otherwise have to wait until the grocery stores get restocked. Currently they don't have produce, refrigerated or frozen foods.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 20.Sep 22:45, 2018
Thanks guys.

"got back home party" Does that include tree removal? :) Otherwise have to wait until the grocery stores get restocked. Currently they don't have produce, refrigerated or frozen foods.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 20.Sep 15:31, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hurray. Great stuff. When's the 'got back home party'?

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 20.Sep 07:28, 2018
I'm glad you're okay and the house is relatively safe.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 20.Sep 03:48, 2018
Just looked and I finished 9th for the manager. I'm very happy with that.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 20.Sep 03:46, 2018
Final update. We are safely home. Lots of traffic trying to get back. Roads back were fine (the ones we took). Our home is most ok. A few singles missing, but otherwise appears fine. A tree in the back yard snapped and is laying in our yard (need to get a chainsaw to cut it up). The fence is damaged. Otherwise we're good.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 19.Sep 03:56, 2018
Well moving to Europe would require jobs. Otherwise we'd be over there. Since that is unlikely have to wait until we retire and work at paying off debt. However, evacuating and putting a hotel on credit card for a week doesn't exactly help with that.
Good news from our electric company, all of their substations are up and running. So although everyone doesn't currently have power they now have a better idea of where other damage is they need to get fixed. The other power company is saying it could be up to two weeks before they have all their substations up and running.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 18.Sep 23:43, 2018
Or, to be fair given he's had a full year to recover from persistant niggles and settle into WT, I wouldn't want to be in Harm's way for WC19 either #SF #VanhouckeWankers

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 18.Sep 23:36, 2018
You should take this as a sign that you should come to Europe for WC 2019 instead of being in harm's way then, Koronin :)

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 18.Sep 21:21, 2018
Thanks guys. Reading the local page, apparently one of the grocery stores got a truck in today. That is a very good sign. Still plan on making a grocery list tonight and doing grocery shopping in Raleigh (NC about 2 hours from home, although likely a longer drive tomorrow). Raleigh will be fully stocked with groceries. Supposedly there are hot spots for internet being set up all over the city. We will see when we get there. I'll let you all know how things are when I can. Plan is to be on the road from here around 10 in the morning. 3 hour drive to Raleigh which is clear.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Tuesday 18.Sep 17:56, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Good luck Koronin with everything!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Sep 17:53, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Thinking about it, it would be one of the things foremost in my mind, but that is probably just me. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Sep 17:48, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You probably have more important things to think about than your fantasy cycling team. :)

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 18.Sep 17:26, 2018
Thanks. We're really getting tied of being in a hotel room. We're hoping to make it home tomorrow. When we get home, it will most likely be awhile before I can let all of you know as it appears the only internet I'll have is my cell phone.
I'll have picks for my managers before I leave and hope enough of the riders are actually racing to have full teams.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Sep 16:45, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well played on winning this Bart. GT's are fast becoming my nemesis. Always seem to lose 200-300pts on my nearest rivals.
Hope you get home soon Koronin, must be a real drag.


Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 18.Sep 03:15, 2018
Sounds like our neighborhood has power, but no internet. (Just people who have data on cell phones). Good news is our electric company has over half their customers back with power at this point. Currently working on getting power back to everyone who they can reach (still flooded areas) and are waiting for the other power company to energize substations that feed several of their substations. They said they got that for 3 substations today and two were turned on immediately while one still has a few more repairs to due before they can turn it back on. When we get home and I have internet back I'll let you all know. Right now we will be in Charlotte tomorrow and plan on going home on Wednesday. Maybe we'll be lucky and have internet by the time we get home.

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 17.Sep 06:40, 2018
Quick update it is like Wednesday is the soonest we can go home due to roads into the city we live in being flooded. (Hope so as our checkout day for the hotel is Wednesday). From a local board it appears that our street did not flood and the neighborhood does have power back.

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 17.Sep 00:29, 2018
Thank you.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Sunday 16.Sep 23:56, 2018
Best of luck, Koronin!

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 16.Sep 23:16, 2018
As of right now it's stopped raining at home and all but one road that we need to get home is opened. Just need one more road to open and we can go home. Our hope is we can head out of here on Tuesday.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 16.Sep 06:06, 2018
Thank you Aragonite. It's why I have so many Spanish friends (including many of Alejandro's friends and some of his family). Yep I'm right in the path of Hurricane Florence. We're currently at a hotel in Charlotte with no idea when we can get home. Part of that is determinate on it stopping raining there so the flood waters will go down. Latest I heard from my neitherborhood is, still no power and the street behind ours is flooded in areas (although not surprising as that road and the houses on the one side are in a flood zone). Our road is a bit higher and our house is higher than the road. The park behind the house and the school, which backs up to the park as well are not flooded. House is technically slightly above the park level. But it has got to stop raining.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 16.Sep 01:19, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You are certainly the ultimate fangirl Koronin. :) Just read the full day's thread. Didn't realise you were part of this hurricane Florence Koronin. Makes the whole thing so much more real when you know someone involved with it, even if it is a virtual chum. Can only hope the time passes quickly as possible until you get home on Monday, and fingers crossed everything will be cool when you get back. Chin up, and all the best.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 16.Sep 00:47, 2018
Andy, you can have your favorite. I think maybe some just don't understand.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 16.Sep 00:09, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
EPO I reckon it's just weird people who have these weird rider fetishes. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 15.Sep 23:55, 2018
Isn't it allowed to have favorite riders anymore? ;)

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 15.Sep 23:02, 2018
Assassin, thanks. With all of this, I just can't sit here and also watch my boy suffer. It's just too much.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 15.Sep 22:44, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Ah fair enough. Hope your house is ok.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 15.Sep 22:41, 2018
@ Erythropoietin At the moment I'm sitting in a hotel room in Charlotte hoping our home is alright. However, can't even think about attempting to go home to find out until Monday. So that is not exactly helping either. When Bala retires, I won't go hunting/searching for races that aren't easily available to watch. Basically if it isn't on TV I'm not going to go searching through the internet looking for it. It will take a very special rider to come along again to get me to do that. I actually do like Alaphilippe a lot, just won't search the internet for races he's doing. Funny enough after Sky took hold of the Tour the only stage I bothered with was the one Alaphilippe won.

@Assassin, Hard to do while sitting in a hotel having no clue what my house looks like, hoping it's still in one piece although at least most likely not flooded. I'm not staying up til 1am to watch this stage on TV in a hotel room and see my boy suffer that badly. I'll be surprised if the power is back on at our house today so unlikely the DVR will catch it and even if it does I'll just delete it when I get home. Internet here is over loaded and can't stream much of anything, heck getting pages like this to load takes forever. Yes there are positives, but unfortunately he lost his historic podium and the way he rode today does not bode well for the Worlds and Lombardia esp with what he said after the stage. It's actually a very bad sign. Yes he did get two stages and the green. The two stages give him his 2nd most win total ever and he ties Kelly for most ever greens, but I'm still sad and crying.

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 15.Sep 22:39, 2018
Kløden fetish - now we are talking!

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 15.Sep 22:30, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
when i read the first sentence i thought it was about the hurricane. but no, something more important. what will you do when he retires? balaphilippe a natural replacement.
i dont understand the weird luxembourg/valverde/polanc/klöden fetishes of some people. i barely even care how the norwegians do except when they are on my fantasy/manager teams

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 15.Sep 22:13, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If i can sit through every race with Polanc in suffering, I think you can make it through 1 stage where Valverde doesn't go well. He still comes away with points jersey and 2 stage wins, think of the positives.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 15.Sep 21:53, 2018
Over here crying. Will NOT be watching today's stage ever as I will not watch my boy suffer that badly. Also have no interest in even caring about tomorrow's stage. I'm afraid Valverde also lost the Worlds along with the Vuelta podium.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 20:17, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well, that was a surprise for me too... :)
Cris is on our tv everyday, couldn't imagine that... :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 20:13, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Football rules here.
There are a few exceptions from time to time depending on some results in cycling, cannoying, tennis or athletics.
Also in "motor competitions" with Lamy in F1, now with Oliveira in motos or some names in TT (Dakar, etc..) but not consistent, in my opinion.

Football is a big business in a small country, contaminating (i'm affraid that one doesn't exist..) many places and many people. Politics, bankers, judges, media, etc, etc..

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 15.Sep 20:04, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
norwegian guru Kaggis mentioned it a few times. googled it now. rui won in 2012, 2013 and 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDP_Awards
no awards for c ronaldo. weird, he must not be eligible for some reason

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 20:01, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Not sure about that epo..
I think he was nominated (does this word exist?..) a few times but only won with the rainbow jersey. Not sure really...

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 19:58, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It seems global, Assassin...:|

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 15.Sep 19:57, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
sisqo: i heard rui costa beat c ronaldo @ portuguese sportsman of the year like 2 or 3 times. apparently tour de suisse was rated higher than being among the 3 best footballers in the world. (i dont agree...)

congrats brits https://twitter.com/Lee__EFC/status/1035461832285343744

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 15.Sep 19:52, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's sad indeed that some reality tv shite or some other rubbish will get more attention. Hopefully this can change but I can't see it myself.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 19:48, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You're right about that too, Assassin.. :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 19:46, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
That is sad Aragonite, very sad indeed...
Hard to imagine, really, and i'm talking from a country where football rulea a lot. Too much, i'm afraid, and in every place, even politics...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 15.Sep 19:32, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sad thing about this remarkable achievement Francisco, is that it will hardly get a mention on UK TV news, or in the newspapers.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 15.Sep 19:31, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
And that one. It's also nice that we have a fairly decent stack of talent to cover it.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 15.Sep 19:22, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
A year to not forget for our british friends here.
GB winning the three GT's with three diferent riders.
IMPRESSIVE!!!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 15.Sep 19:18, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Only the one song for today Assassin, and that is obviously, 'Rule Britannia'. :)

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 15.Sep 18:25, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Aragonite, that Baddiel, Skinner & the Lightning Seeds song definitely now applies :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Sep 18:12, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I feel for Quintana ... he had ALOT more to do here today ... oh well, he wouldn't have won the stage ... for that both Lopez and Mas was too strong ... but I doubt he would drop them ...

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Saturday 15.Sep 17:44, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
rip movistar :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Sep 15:37, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Mollema, Nibali, Majka, Kwiatkowski and Woods in a non dangerous breakaway on stage 20 in a GT :D ... sais something about the startlist this race had :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Sep 14:50, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Looking forward to some fun action today ... sat my money on Quintana :D GC situation, hunger and yesterday's form sais he got a pretty good chance today ... 12.5 in odds ....

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 14.Sep 20:16, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
1000 pts for Aragonite

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 19:58, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Three Lions, was the name of that song, wasn't it Assassin? Could of been referring to Froome, Thomas, and Yates. Maybe?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 19:55, 2018
The probability is very high

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 19:48, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
But is that not about to change Andy?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 19:46, 2018
Answer on that is no. But a nation has won all 3 before, but 2 of them to the same rider

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 19:44, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Wouldn't have the line, 'It's coming home', in it, would it Assassin? Quiz question :- Has any country won all three GT's in the same year, with three different riders? Answers on a postcard please, to arrive no later than Sunday evening. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 14.Sep 18:53, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
1.38 down to Valverde now ... it seems safe, but as we know, Yates got 2 gears only ... top or none at all :D ... so we'll see .... tomorrow's stage will be a circus either way :))

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Friday 14.Sep 18:11, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Might be a few months late but a certain song by Baddiel, Skinner & the Lightning Seeds comes to mind when it comes to the GC. Aragonite, do you know the one I mean?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 17:14, 2018
And the group behind lost many seconds with puncture to Quintana, think Vuelta done now for Yates

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 14.Sep 17:14, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Any hope for a big GC battle is getting killed fast.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 14.Sep 17:10, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Wow ... so impressive looking Yates...

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 14.Sep 17:08, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
This is obviously the slowest Yates can ride atm :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 16:42, 2018
I who always thought you stood behind the Thatcherism ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 15:57, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Thatcher (the fucking bitch) thought it would be a great idea to go public with our North Sea oil. Sold off almost immediately. Those with any spare cash bought some shares, hung on to them until they made a few quid, then off they went to Torremolinos for a fortnight. Much of the working class got nothing out of it.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 15:49, 2018
Would be a long holiday even on luxury hotels if the same happened in Norway :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 15:45, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Our oil fund was sold for a holiday abroad for most of the UK. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 15:42, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Their Movistar cycling budget will obviously be a tiny fragment of their yearly business then. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 15:41, 2018
I even see our oil fund is 5th largest owner of Telefonica (or at least was when the Wiki page was last updated), always great to find new fun facts :)

ritlefant [Ritlefant] Friday 14.Sep 15:38, 2018
They own O2, Vivo and several others too.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 15:32, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You are right Andy, just googled it. The thing I saw was done for Movistar +. Which is the TV part of Telefonica. Telefonica is a major telecommunications company, and owns both Movistar+, and Movistar. Now we all know. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 15:28, 2018
Sorry but my brain hasn't been work last days #toomuchbulmers

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Friday 14.Sep 15:26, 2018
Andyman - please enquire as to what about both horizontal and vertical integration is in one of your next business lectures.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Sep 15:22, 2018
TV company? I am very sure it is phone operator

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 15:19, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Didn't know what the company of Movistar did until last night. Starting watching a Spanish series called The Plague, produced and directed by TV company Movistar.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Sep 15:15, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Movistar making certain the break doesn't win today. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 13.Sep 18:28, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
25 seconds from the traditional best top of a climb sprinter Valverde up to Yates . .. it would be weird if bonus seconds won't be interesting for Movistar tomorrow ... although... long regular climbs is not exactly Valverdes cup of tea ...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 13.Sep 17:37, 2018
Depending on how much Movistar wants the bonus seconds tomorrow. I see a similar scenario as in 2015 when Landa won in Andorra on Saturday, only a really strong climber can win that stage

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 13.Sep 17:24, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Thought going all in on sprinters again was going to pay off this time, after yesterdays big breakaway win. But not to be. Another win for the break. How many more to come?

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 13.Sep 17:17, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yeah ... he should split the prize check with Bystøm :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 13.Sep 17:15, 2018
Risky strategy of Wallays in the end here, but it pays off unfortunately

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 13.Sep 17:05, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I was about to say ... typical a norwegian go in a dead end breakaway .... maybe i eat those words :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 13.Sep 16:18, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Aru the new Evel Knievel. :)

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 13.Sep 14:24, 2018
Aru tried to pull a blocked chain with his hand, while going downhill at 70km/h. What a savage :)
Meannwhile the UAE-team manager just accidentaly revealed Aru's max HR, saying that his heart beatet at 200 when he was yelling at him :)

sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 12.Sep 23:49, 2018
Also interesting the top 10 battle wich can be very importnat for the manager, I feel any of the others GC riders can crack at any time now.

sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 12.Sep 23:44, 2018
I think after today we can say that we have a duel between Valverde and Yates for the win and 4 men for the 3rd place with Mas the favourite (maybe Lopez it's his main rival now).
Also very happy to see Nibali in the breakaway getting better, real shame for Aru that is having a really nightmare season so far

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 12.Sep 18:52, 2018
I am getting back towards Worlds shape. 22nd in the Vuelta now, 15th in Wallonie

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 12.Sep 18:19, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
i had it in my guts, but didn't pull the trigger in the manager. Instead I made him my highest bid on my fantasy list I handed in :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 12.Sep 18:04, 2018
And Enric Mas on podium, don't think anybody saw that coming 3 weeks ago

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 12.Sep 17:55, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Pinot long gone

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 12.Sep 17:41, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
No no no ... Quintana . .. it was stage 19 ... not 17 :D

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 12.Sep 17:41, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Nairo at ropes :D Well predicted, goon

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 12.Sep 17:31, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Poor Aru :( I was expecting a good final week from him.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 12.Sep 16:40, 2018
Haha, you simply have to love Murias tactics today :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 12.Sep 15:39, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
He stays in my top three goon, as long as he has no mishaps. Could jump to 150 by the end of the Vuelta though. He is such a great race reader and always picks the optimum time to attack, Milan-San Remo being the perfect example. Probably most important he knows how to prepare himself for specific targets. I have no doubt that he will be at the business end of the WC, but there are obviously one or three others who will also love the parcours, and know how to finish a race off.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 12.Sep 15:25, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
83 km togo here and 82 in wallonie :D ...

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 12.Sep 15:17, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
JohnJackJoe Racing has four men in the breakaway. Kudus, Mollema and Fraile and can De la Cruz land a GC comeback?

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 12.Sep 15:05, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Nibali in the break.... and MS seems happy with it . .. so let's see if he climb on my imaginary world's team, or drop on yours today Aragonite :D

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 12.Sep 08:21, 2018
Had planned on making changes or at least a change, but well then had to start planning on a hurricane headed this way.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 11.Sep 18:01, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Better count in Kruijswijk now ... 52 sec behind... although, it seems like he doesn't have the weapons to win without Yates and Valverde cracking down ... Maybe stage 19 ... suits him very well anyway ....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 17:47, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Stellar rides from the Clothes Hanger, and Mas. Shame I don't have either.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 17:44, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Enjoyed that. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 11.Sep 17:11, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Kruiswijk on fire ......

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 17:08, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
WTF Clothes Hanger!

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 16:24, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Teuns seems in great nick. Wonder if he can put together a decent ITT. It is something he is getting better at. Soon find out. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 11.Sep 16:16, 2018
Dimension gets the BMC bikes, but the riders are not good enough I think

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 16:13, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Can't look past BMC for TT's. Which team takes over from them next year?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 11.Sep 15:16, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If TTT was a national thing in world's, Denmark would be hard to beat ... they got so many top notch TT guys....

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 14:26, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Gone all in on sprinters again. Sagan, Viviani, DVP, and Nizzolo. Hopefully there is two mass sprints out of the remaining six stages. Only way I could see of making up any ground, without going silly.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 13:41, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Just reversed what I did. Sagan back in Pinot out. Leaving my keyboard until 14:06. Temptation is too much. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 13:33, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Just changed my line up again. Come on lets have the cut off before I do any more damage. :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 11.Sep 13:11, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
Opened for making team-changes before part three that starts Tuesday (11th September 13:21)

first rider doesnt start until 14:06 however

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Sep 12:03, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Ben King my favourite for KOM. Seems to be in the form of his life, wouldn't be surprised if he has a good ITT.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 11.Sep 10:33, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
De Gent .... we know he is targeting the KOM, he can do a desent ITT and it would be weird if he go a whole year without a GT stage win :D

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 11.Sep 08:31, 2018
Does anybody know if Mollema targets polka dot? Would be a good choice with summit finish stage win, and the jersey. But it may also appear that he has no legs anymore. Have to choose between Mollema and Jon Izaguirre, who will probably be top 10 today, and keep fighting for the GC.

BartVelo [BartVelo] Tuesday 11.Sep 00:00, 2018
23th FC-manager overall
We have till the time trail start the time to change our teams right? Still figuring out what to with some.

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 23:26, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Andy ... haven't deside yet, but Viviani or Sagan comes to mind... I'll sleep on it :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 22:37, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You have lots of faith in your boys Tomas. If I were you I would have Viviani on 150 in double quick time.

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 10.Sep 22:25, 2018
I will stand by Kwiatkowski @150 :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 10.Sep 22:18, 2018
Who will be your new captain last week goon? Since you predicted Nairito will crack ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 22:13, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
On my list. Also considering reinstalling Kwiatkowski. Should be top five in ITT, and first uphill finish suits him if he still has the legs. Aggressive rider too, Spanish obviously don't mind him, maybe another combativity.

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 22:00, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
To be serious ... I am thinking Kelderman .... if he got legs for it, will do a great TT ... podium should be within reach, and he might go on ride to try to win back some time ... you know like Pinot did ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 21:57, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Had Mollema pencilled in for five combativities.

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 21:55, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Mollema is guaranteed 2 3 combat prizes ... a stage win, and you're good :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 21:49, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Trying to decide whether to make do with the probable 100 off Rohan Dennis.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 21:44, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Got him, and Sagan, and top four in GC already. Last three team members up for grabs. Must of thought of about ten others. Hard work trying to get 100pts plus out of anybody. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 21:38, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well ... Viviani :D

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 21:38, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Guaranteed ?? :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 21:35, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Can anyone tell me a rider guaranteed to score me 180pts, in these last six stages. :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Sep 15:43, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Adam Yates, 'sometimes you know you have the legs, and you want to have a go. It's kind of annoying but you have to look at the bigger picture'.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Monday 10.Sep 11:59, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
01 Simon Yates (1) 1992 Great Britain Mitchelton - Scott 64:13:33
02 Alejandro Valverde (2) 1980 Spain Movistar Team + 26
03 Nairo Quintana (3) 1990 Colombia Movistar Team + 33
04 Miguel Angel Lopez (4) 1994 Colombia Astana Pro Team + 43

hope it stays like this. current GC top 4 is in the exact order i put them in on my team :)

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 11:10, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Me too, i am weighing him and Kruijswijk for my team ... and it's the TT skills that desides it ... unfortunately I can't pick them apart :D ... anyone ? :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Monday 10.Sep 10:56, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I'm looking forward to see where Mas lands in the ITT. He's been getting better and better from stage to stage after still recovering from illness in the first 2 weeks. The stage to Andorra is his current home stage and I can see him climbing further in GC.

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 10:55, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
PS. A REALLY REALLY fun GC situation btw :))

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Sep 10:54, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I still can't see, or haven't seen for a good while Quintana as this gigantic climber everyone sais he is ... I can easily rank 5 6 guys ahead of him, and 2 of them are present ... Yates and Lopez obviously .... so I really can't see him win this thing .... I think he will be 3 if Yates breaks ... 4 if not ... as it looks atm, and if we take the strength ratio on the climbs so far in consideration, Yates ( limit his lost to Valverde on the ITT, and take back a little when the weekend comes ) or Valverde looks like the winner at this point... and if we add a monster climb by Lopez this upcoming weekend, he is a candidate as well...

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Monday 10.Sep 08:37, 2018
I've said it before: Quintana is probably the best climber, but terrible at thinking :). There is no question whether Valverde should pull for him or the other way around, because for Quintana any cooperation with domestiques, or being the domestique simply won't work anyway. That is probably why Movistar always plays with 2-3 leaders.

Meanwhile.. there is still one week of racing. I'm afraid riders that have been active from 1st stage on, like Valverde, Yates, Uran may strugle now. Also Uran, Aru and Pinot will probably loose another minute tomorrow...

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 10.Sep 06:24, 2018
After today I start to think that Quintana is not the real captain of Movistar. I really don't like Movistar tactics as usual: if your guy is Quintana he should have wored with Yates to distance the others, if Valverde is your guy he should have pulled in the front like a domestique.
Quintana anyway have little tactical skills, when he doesn't have the form to distance everybody else early he seems like he doesn't know what to do

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 9.Sep 18:19, 2018
Maybe Mollema has told the Vuelta he's an honorary Spaniard for the race? Maybe he actually speaks Spanish? Who knows, maybe if you speak Spanish it counts towards getting combativity award?

After today, as long as Valverde puts in a good ITT Tuesday (which he should do) he can win this race overall.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Sep 18:15, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Aah .. back to being a joke ... they had a little recovery yesterday it seemed, but that must have been some kind of mistake or something :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 9.Sep 18:07, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Mollema third combativity. Does he have Spanish grandparents?

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 9.Sep 17:56, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Nairo is mountain version of Gerrans :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Sep 17:39, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Lopez and Quintana gonna wear eachother out in this race ... and Valverde wins :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Sep 17:38, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yes . .. i saw his odds droped after yesterday . .. top 3 guy on coolbet now .... Nibali that is :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 9.Sep 17:21, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If Simon can hold his form for another week he will be more than happy. I'm thinking Adam could be the better bet for the Worlds.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 9.Sep 17:04, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Simon

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 9.Sep 16:41, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Which one? :)

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Sunday 9.Sep 16:34, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Where are you placing Yates then, Aragonite? :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 9.Sep 16:24, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Only 80%? Valverde, Alaphilippe, and Nibali looking set in stone in the top three for me. Just have to decide who gets the 150.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Sep 16:13, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
At 80% so far .... let's see if he can climb the list in week 3 :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Sep 16:12, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Agree ... he crawled his way onto my imaginal world's team yesterday :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 9.Sep 15:09, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
For me Nibali seems to be using this race perfectly training for the Worlds. Now appears pain free now, and yesterday ripped the race apart seemingly because he could and no other reason. Don't think he would ever have thought Ion Izaguirre was up to winning the stage. Getting better and better by the day, wouldn't be surprised if he were to take a stage in week 3 in this Vuelta. On his way to a podium, or even better in the Worlds.

sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 9.Sep 03:03, 2018
Aru can get a top 10 finish but no more. He totally bonked his training schedule in early season and now he is trying to come in decent form for the worlds.
De la Cruz cracked so there are no more chances to Sky to do anything in GC here.
Also Bennett lost too much and is an easy drop for me in the rest day

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 8.Sep 23:29, 2018
Well Valverde proved today that he is still prone to mistakes as he totally messed up the final today as he thought it was much harder and steeper than it actually was and at the end said he had a lot left because of his miscalculation. One other note he said of these three stages that yesterday is his worst climb.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 8.Sep 18:05, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Wonder what final position Aru can chug along into? Seems to be one of the few riders showing improvement the further he goes into the race.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 8.Sep 17:55, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hopefully Simon Yates puts that right. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 8.Sep 17:54, 2018
Still no rider born in England won anything :)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 8.Sep 17:54, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
But goon they are surely common events. We hadn't ever won a GT until 2012.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Sep 17:50, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I don't even like it when Norwegians dominate too much in a sport ... so think about how I felt during the winter Olympics in Sotshi 2014 and the Dutch speed skaters :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Sep 17:47, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
:D ... yaks

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 8.Sep 17:46, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Why goon? Don't you love Brit power? :)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Sep 17:45, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Please bring me a bucket :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 8.Sep 17:43, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Are the Brits going to win all three GT's, with three different riders?

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Sep 17:41, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Kwiato combat guy today . .. no argues there :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Sep 17:34, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Impressed by Mas, Galopin and Ion Izaguirre ... disappointed by Kelderman . .

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Sep 17:32, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Fun climb ... nice fight :))

sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 8.Sep 04:14, 2018
Probably you couldn't even bet on him, no bookie I know actually list the whole peloton. would have been 1000 to 1 I guess, considering he is a domestique in Euskadi coming out of nowhere.
I just hope no funny antidoping tests are found later, he completely burn Majka and Teuns not two random rookies

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 7.Sep 18:46, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Would love to know what price you could of got with the bookies for this stage 13 winner. Anyone know?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 6.Sep 22:17, 2018
Imagine how quickly Mark Padun will disappear up the climbs in a few years when he loses the excess 2-3 kgs of puppy fat in his face.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 6.Sep 22:00, 2018
EPO - think of it as a randomized dollop of universal basis income.

Kill it after the race, don’t move the goalposts during it.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 6.Sep 21:29, 2018
If it's a pain to pull it out, then it can stay. It does give us something to laugh about. Of course chat about trying to figure out what exactly the Vuelta's criteria is for giving the award out.
Heck, this threat has more discussion of this award than the actual race.
On that note, it appears that Movistar today decided to play M-S's game and refuse to work as well thus allowing Herrada to end up with the red jersey by over 3 minutes.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 6.Sep 21:05, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
then lets introduce "the FC lottery". every stage a random manager gets 100 pts for free. its the same for everyone.
also each manager who wins a stage should get 100 pts bonus. its the same for everyone.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 6.Sep 20:59, 2018
Honestly i can’t see a reason to change the manager rules regarding combative prize. Yes, it’s embarassing for the Vuelta, but here in the game does not give any advantage to anyone. Literally every rider has the same odds, so mathematically it is much more difficult to guess the combative than the overall vinner of the Vuelta, which gives 10 times more score.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 6.Sep 20:37, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
that is correct, i checked it now for our lanterne rouge who has e. mas

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 6.Sep 20:27, 2018
Not in the total calculation (if the stage was re-calculated after changes of awards/jerseys). Just on the rider-overview then until I switch computer so I can access the database.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 6.Sep 20:23, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
and enric mas still has 40 combative points he shouldnt have

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 6.Sep 20:13, 2018
Regarding this Vuelta, Ruvu stated it good on twitter the other day;

@FantaCiclisPro - 2. sep.
Pity my 53k ride this morning wasn't broadcasted, because it was way more entertaining than this @lavuelta GC-battle :( #lavuelta2018

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 6.Sep 20:08, 2018
I will guess this few words to the query where the jersey points comes from "and jerseyType NOT IN (5)" - so probably as fast I'm typing this sentence :) But not during a race/competition as said.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 6.Sep 19:26, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I am not at all computer savvy. If all it takes is a flick of a switch then by all means get rid of the combative award points. But if it is going to take you Tomas, or someone else a lot of man hours then I just do not think it is worth it, there is better things you can do with your time.
The award probably only applies to one third of stage races, and normally goes to the most deserving rider, with a modicum of home country bias. The Vuelta is by far the most random, when it comes to the award, but you only have to skip through this thread to realise that it gives us something to chat about. Without it the thread would be dead.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 6.Sep 19:15, 2018
#GoonGate

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 6.Sep 19:05, 2018
Regarding the combative award; I know everyone feels the same - and its being repeted over and over again in this thread so enough now:) It giefs to much points in the manager game as of now. But we cant start alter the rules during the race, this one would ofc have been removed PRE RACE START if the discussion regarding it being awarded by public vote had come up.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 6.Sep 17:15, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Great ride by Padun. He has a bright future.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 6.Sep 15:47, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
lets up it to 60 points

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 6.Sep 15:46, 2018
I somehow agree with Aragonite.. it is hard to predict the winner of combative even if you know for sure that it will be a spaniard, ..and it is equal for everyone.
If someone told you to pick Mardones as a captain because he is gona win this prize twice, would you do that?

Regarding tday's stage: Again Movistar has to take the responsibility, as M-S has no cojones to bring the pack back. Valverde will be pissed off :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 6.Sep 15:39, 2018
Waiting on Ilnur to get in the break on one of the coming stages and win a stage just to hit me in the face since I transferred him out

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Sep 15:39, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Stage 19 ... where he looks like the favourite... that would be just typical :D

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Sep 15:35, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Next week :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 6.Sep 15:34, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Did think three of this block of six would go to the break. But thought QS would make sure stages 10 and 12 would be for Viviani. Win some, lose more. :)

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 6.Sep 15:34, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
on what stage Quintana will drop, goon? ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Sep 15:33, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Mtf is almost always a breakaway win ... always one or two guys surviving ... i bet we'll a couple of those this weekend ...

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 6.Sep 15:30, 2018
Very high, always many breaks going home in the Vuelta, maybe not all 3 stages, but think tomorrow is for break and Saturday

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 6.Sep 15:28, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Fucked up my transfers in here. Brought in four sprinters. Going to be a nightmare watching the next three stages. What's the chances of another three breakaway win? :)

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Sep 15:05, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
40 points for a random idiot vote ... I say get rid of it ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 6.Sep 14:55, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Don't think the combativity is worth the effort of getting rid of it. We all have equal chance of winning it. Fun when you win it, annoying when you don't. I vote it stays.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 6.Sep 14:52, 2018
Maybe Jesus Herrada in leader jersey tomorrow

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Sep 14:42, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
A little surprised by the gap today ... over 10 minutes and no Bora in front of the peloton ... I guess Sagan's form is not top notch just yet ...
No QS either for that matter....

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 6.Sep 12:35, 2018
In TdF the combative prize (or "most offensive") gains the rider with €2000 on each stage. It is more than the best sprinter (€1500) or the best young (€500). In Vuelta there is absolutely no prestige in this prize, as the wage is called "micro payment" and not even mentioned with number.. No reason to get annoyed by that.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 6.Sep 10:28, 2018
I'm up for a discussion if the combativity award should count to the manager anymore in season wrap-up

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 6.Sep 09:20, 2018
Hehe, that what I tought.. no spaniard to be voted, and the rider that probably deserved the prize most.. is unfortunately french :)

I'm also very curious what is the reason riders like Porte, Nibali, Majka, Pinot, keeps trying to get away with break from the first km on a relatively flat stages. Could we expect some modern strategies in Innsbruck?

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 6.Sep 08:08, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well there wasn't a spaniard to choose from yesterday. Haig, Mollema and Pinot were voteable candidates.

sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 6.Sep 07:37, 2018
Glad that for once not a spaniard won it and I guess he deserved it for the overall effort in this Vuelta. But let's be honest the prize should have gone to Pinot today for the massive effort

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 5.Sep 21:56, 2018
More popular than the Catalans ;)

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 5.Sep 21:05, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
All I can think is that basque's are still not too popular in Spain yet.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 5.Sep 20:27, 2018
Congrats to Mollema on getting the combative award today. Guess they finally had to give it to a non Spaniard today.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 5.Sep 19:34, 2018
Today's is one of those stages that should have had the entire stage shown as it sounds like it was crazy from the time they let them go. Nice win for De Marchi.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 5.Sep 15:08, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
This will be fun :D

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 5.Sep 15:07, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Pinot in the break ?

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 5.Sep 15:03, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I can't get over the quick step show how from yesterday . .. saw it again now... from about 3 km togo it was just perfect... Viviani with Sabatini and Mørkøv was not with the train at that point, so they just drew the whole peloton over to the other side of the road so that Vivian and co could get through and join the train ... from there and in, it was just pure precision, and nobody didn't have a chance . .. even a mediocre sprinter would have won this ...

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 5.Sep 14:08, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
The ticker shows ma crazy stage til now. 94km no break yet. MAL back in the peloton after a long chase due to a mechanical

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 5.Sep 14:00, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Too bad we won't see the entire stage today ... this will be a circus from padle one ... and as i hear, that's exactly what happens .... a really fun profile ... I expect gc action as well in adition to a fun fight in the breakaway . .. I wonder if Sagan is in the break today ? Seems to be on his way back in shape now

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 5.Sep 07:58, 2018
The arm injury, Kwiatkowski explained, “is not the biggest issue from the crash. The worst thing is my legs feel really tight, all the tendons tightened up from falling so heavily. So I need a lot of treatment and stretching and massage to help with the pain.”
...
“I was trying to do everything not to give up, I really didn’t want to economize. Because when you have a day like Saturday, I wanted to take a different approach, go for a stage win, and that’s why Sky worked on the front before the last climb,” Kwiatkowski said.
...
“I was trying to do everything I could, which is necessary when you feel like the biggest favourite of that stage..."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kwiatkowski-i-would-regret-if-i-didnt-try-to-race-with-the-best-climbers/

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 4.Sep 19:39, 2018
Valverde has repeatedly stated that the team has given him full freedom and that they will never make him work for anyone else in the Vuelta. If he works for Quintana it will be because he chooses to and he won't go all in to help Quintana as he will always hold some in reserve. He also will never go into the red to help a teammate or to get a goal for himself.

I think Aru and Pinot are done. Uran, not sure yet, but he'll need a great ITT. Izagirre is intersting as he's never gone for a GT GC before so no idea if he can survive the 3rd week or not. Then we have Yates, hopefully he learned something from the Giro. Quintana is the favorite, but he'll loose a good chunk of time to Kelderman, Kwiat, Valverde and Izagirre, and possibly Uran.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Sep 17:44, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
No 60 was class act .... PERFECT by QS... I couldn't see one wrong move here ... wow ...

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Sep 16:29, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
But i was gussing he helped da la cruz limit his lost, and droped further back after that . .. the result list looks that way too ...

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Sep 16:27, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If that's the case, it looked really really strange ... he looked good until de la Cruz droped ... then he droped back and was looking for him... I didn't saw what he did after that though ...

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 4.Sep 16:02, 2018
Hmm.. dont know where the rumours come from, but obviously the TV2 hosts used the same "source", saying Kwiatkowski is out of the GC battle.. While Kwiato himself says something quite oposite: he actually aimet a stage win at La Covatilla :) and the main reason for his loss was the crash on friday.

If he does not loose much more at the end of the week, he may regain up to a minute in TT, and get back top top 10. I would say it is more difficult for Uran, Aru, Pinot, who needs a minute in advance before TT :)

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 4.Sep 15:20, 2018
Now that SKY decided Kwiatkowski shouldnt win it after all; its free for all in my eyes...

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Sep 15:17, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seriously Andy ... not much talk about him ... that all I hear ... Quintana the " real " favourite :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 4.Sep 14:33, 2018
The real favorite sits in third for the moment and still not much talk about him.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 4.Sep 14:11, 2018
Valverde said he allready achieved the goals of Vuelta, but won't let any oportunity go away.. well, that is something I would say, if I would like to avoid attention being just one second behind the race leader :). Beside that, I think the real favourites keep silent so far :).

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Sep 10:05, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I can't wait for Quintana to break in week 3 :D ... a looks like the winner explosion, down to a regular 10th :D .... he will be great this week though ... and Valverde will for sure help him with that.... but as the great dad he is, he will never go too far away, and be ready to take over when Quintana fails, step up in week 3 and save the podium.... that's what my crystal ball sais :D

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 4.Sep 07:46, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
nice stage wins for Valverde, now he can start working for Quintana from this on.

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 4.Sep 05:14, 2018
Interesting comments from Valverde at the team's press conference today. First apparently he didn't realize it's been 12 years since he first had the leader's jersey at the Vuelta (and some laughing over that by the press and him). In regards to the Worlds, he said he does want the Worlds, however he's at the Vuelta and that whatever energy he expends at the Vuelta won't hurt his chances at the Worlds. He said he's not going to pass up any opportunities that present themselves. When asked about going after bonus seconds, he did say he's going after points and that bonus seconds could just end up being gotten.
My take is basically he wants the Green Jersey, he wants at least a podium and maybe another stage win or two AND he wants the Worlds and doesn't see what he can't have it all.

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 3.Sep 22:49, 2018
@Bart: when we first started the game we figured out by the rules we had, at that time, made it even more "set" in possible riders to pick, if the big boys got even more points. With the rules we have no it might should be re-considered (along with the combative award....).

BartVelo [BartVelo] Monday 3.Sep 22:43, 2018
23th FC-manager overall
Question: why isn't there a combine jersey in this game?

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 3.Sep 21:25, 2018
I think Izagirre has at this point as much chance of a podium if not the win as pretty much anyone else still in this.

I think as far as a team Lotto Jumbo has been impressive.

Valverde is just doing what he loves doing, esp in his home country. Although he does appear to be getting a little frustrated with some of the questions the media keeps asking him.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 3.Sep 19:16, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Correct.

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 3.Sep 18:36, 2018
Guys combined jersey does not give manager points right?

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 3.Sep 09:07, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Unless Ion Izaguirre keep it up :D ... i can't really see it, but what do I know ... he's still up there ...

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 3.Sep 09:03, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Tony Galopin is the nice surprise at this point ... of all the names up there, he stands out as the unexpected one ... Kelderman lost 1.40 when he punctured in the cross wind, and would be the favourite to win this without it ... but let's not rule him out just yet .... he will be the fresh one in the finish here, and got the by far best ITT up his sleeve :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 2.Sep 21:54, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Just watched a recording of todays stage. Great battle between King and Mollema for the stage win, but what a bore the GC race was. Wind didn't seem anyway near as bad as forecast. Was expecting so much more.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 2.Sep 17:56, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I guess Kwiato wont win Vuelta 2018 :D ... very strange though .. he looked really good, sat in front a rode de la Cruz off the back .... then he droped and waited for de la Cruz .... what the fuck ? :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 2.Sep 17:46, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
A couple of more breakaway wins for King now, and he podium GC :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 2.Sep 17:06, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's funny though ... Paasche and Kaggestad jr was 100% sure the brake would hold when 9.20 ish ... let's heat if Paasche is as sure now :D ... It's like they never seen a bike race before... I know they have though :D .... maybe just extremely stupid or forgetful :D Ben King ( which is relevant to day again ) lost 7 minutes to the peloton last 18 km on the first mountain stage ... and that finish was way easier than today ...

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 2.Sep 05:51, 2018
Great win for Valverde. This makes 13 wins on the season for him and apparently he said before the race he wasn't going for the stage win today. We all know he loves to downplay his chances on winning anything, but this is getting a bit ridiculous.

As for most combative away, we now must assume that there is a new requirement that the award must go to a Spaniard and possibly a Spaniard who is not on a WT team, otherwise I'm trying to figure out how Valverde hasn't someone managed to be awarded this one yet. Although I'm with Andy, isn't Mate supposed to win it every other day or something?

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 1.Sep 21:28, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yes sker, like we use to say: from Spain not good wind nor good weeding... :D
Still, we keep receiving them with open arms... :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 1.Sep 20:38, 2018
How was Mate not selected today? Each second stage for him I thought.

sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 1.Sep 20:37, 2018
Again today a spaniard: Cubero most combative instead of Machado. Not even portugese is close enough :D

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Sep 00:54, 2018
Cyclists are tough. However, not sure they should be finishing stages/races with some of the injuries they do race with.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 1.Sep 00:03, 2018
Incredible that Benoot managed to finish the stage today. Talking of my own experience, knee injury is crap and very hard to ride a bike with.

https://twitter.com/TiesjBenoot/status/1035638403243692033

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 31.Aug 21:18, 2018
This is not an easy Vuelta to pick and still not an easy Vuelta to make decisions about swapping out riders.

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 31.Aug 17:10, 2018
Molard still has red, however Valverde has claimed both the Green and White after today's stage.
Oh and the combatitive award has been given to Spaniard Alex Aranburu Deba of Caja Rural. I definitely appears that there is some rule this year to get that award you must be a Spaniard.

Was really hoping Valverde could get a 2nd stage win, oh well. Nice win for Gallopin. Also nice result from Sepp Kuss to finish 10th.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 31.Aug 16:32, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sagan still in it

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 31.Aug 16:01, 2018
Formolo can also be an option for them today if the final is hard. It is a significant amount of meter to climb the last 10 km, but can't see him beat Valverde anyway if Sagan doesn't make it.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 31.Aug 15:57, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If it's McCarthy you will see Sagan on the front before the finish.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 31.Aug 15:32, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Unless it's McCarthy.... I guess they got a couple of cards for the stage then ...

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 31.Aug 15:28, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Burghardt in front of the peloton I notice .... Sagan on shape again ? It's not like Buchmann got something to gain from this stage so ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 31.Aug 14:33, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Another lol at Marek's Polish comment. :)

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Friday 31.Aug 11:07, 2018
Did Trentin complain about Bouhanni's drifting? Or is he happy that he at least did not get punched? Seems like noone care anymore?

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 31.Aug 10:20, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I would've voted Porte yesterday, just for making me laugh :D ... you know ... if I knew I could have an impact on it :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Friday 31.Aug 08:30, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
" simply because polish fans are not done with the first excitement in internet yet"

Made me laugh :D

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Friday 31.Aug 08:20, 2018
"This award is given at every one of the first twenty stages and is determined daily by a jury made up of the Technical Directors, presided by the General Director of the race. They will decide on three riders whom they believe to be deserving of the prize that day. TV viewers will then be able to cast their votes among the three chosen via a telematics system (by phone or internet)."

It would have probably worked better in Tour de France, which is much more popular world-wide. But in Vuelta it is indeed a contest "who does Spaniards like most".

In general fans-voting is always a bad idea. It is mostly for trolls as normal people don't care. Almost every fans poll for Fifa or Uefa Cups, shows Poland as a clear fovourite to win everything.. simply because polish fans are not done with the first excitement in internet yet, and spend hours troling, while other nations does not even know that polls exists :)

sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 31.Aug 00:02, 2018
Motion to eliminate FC manager points for most combative award in next year Vuelta, it's becoming a joke :D

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 30.Aug 23:59, 2018
Tomorrow's stage starts near Valverde's home. It was today and tomorrow that are over his home and training roads. His amateur team was at the finish line today to greet him along with many of his friends and family. He should get a huge send off tomorrow as well.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 30.Aug 21:31, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
and this is worth 40 pts in the FC manager. lol

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 30.Aug 21:28, 2018
It's beginning to look like they may as well just toss only Spaniards in the race's names into a hat and pick out of the hat each stage for the most combative award. This is beginning to sound like it's actually their version of Utah's fan favorite award for each stage. At this point, maybe just put an award for highest Spaniard in the field or something so we can actually get the most combative award back to what it should be?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:58, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
What the?????

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 30.Aug 18:58, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
Except that Cubero got more votes than Mate today. 37 % over 36 %. On Twitter at least.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:52, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
From what I was told today, this year the most combative is decided by the public vote. Either online, by phone, or both.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 30.Aug 18:49, 2018
Most combative and the Vuelta is very simply your guess is as good as anyone else's as to how they pick. Remember in 2015 they have it to Valverde after the stage he won and literally no one had any clue how that was decided. Even Movistar couldn't figure that one out and actually decided since it made no sense the money he got from that wasn't going into the pot to be divided at the end of the race and they gave it to him and told him he could do whatever he wanted to with that prize money. He choose to split it between the 5 lowest paid members of the team that were at la Vuelta that year. (Team, not just riders so most that prize money went to guys who we never see). The only thing that people have figured out is that as long as they can give it to a Spaniard they will.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:46, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Is this stage official now? Or is there still a chance of objections from those teams that missed out on that split due to road furniture?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:38, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Not as good as if it had had of been Richie. :) But at least understandable now.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Aug 18:33, 2018
He was the winner of combativity 15 min ago, now they changed it to Mate..

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:31, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
He is on the FC Vuelta stage page. Thought it must have been wrong.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 30.Aug 18:29, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
He isnt. The red number is the U25 GC leader at the Vuelta.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:25, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
E. Mas most combative. How? Why?

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 30.Aug 18:23, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I like this plot twist, Vuelta Fantasy points with Nacer and suddenly my B-squad ain't actually looking that bad :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Aug 18:12, 2018
Wonder what Mørkøv was thinking on final km or he was just empty after a tough final 25 km. Viviani easily the fastest, but for once bad position today.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 18:10, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Nasty Nacer.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 30.Aug 18:09, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I wish I had put more money on Nacer today :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Aug 18:08, 2018
Never rule out Nacer :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Aug 17:52, 2018
That's you why should sign him on SF. You can skip him on the manager with saying to yourself that if he does well you at least get points there ;)

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 30.Aug 17:46, 2018
If all can go vote on the never-on-my-manager-team-again Porte I would be grateful ;)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Aug 17:37, 2018
Mate since he didn't won yesterday?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 17:36, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Is it public voting? Quick give me the number. :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 30.Aug 17:32, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
in a break with 2 spaniards, no way

with 31 mins to go:

30%Richie Porte
43%Luis Ángel Maté
27%Jorge Cubero

cubero just attacked and his percentage will surely go up

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 30.Aug 17:28, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Most chance of us poor Porte owners to pick up some points. Can Richie win the most combative rider today?

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 30.Aug 15:04, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hahahaha... his sense of humour is still intact at least :D

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 30.Aug 14:46, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Richie Porte in the breakaway :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 30.Aug 14:42, 2018
Vuelta fixes. Its an older GT-managers have a team-display bug since its on a silly old system..

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 30.Aug 14:22, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
and this is not a URL?


Erythropoietin Tuesday 28.Aug 11:30, 2018
http://firstcycling.com/manres.php?konk=782&lag=1990

feil i poengvisning på de gamle GT-lagsidene. 0 poeng på spurterne, etappe 3

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 30.Aug 14:12, 2018
It's an hotfix exception written in in the team-viewer for GT managers during Tour de France to hide stage 3 (= TTT). Removed. As I wrote yesterday I suddenly understood the error reporting.

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 30.Aug 13:52, 2018
"which i tried to get geraint to understand" <-- I always prefer a URL-link to the problem, since I often use more time to locate the problemo compared to actually fixing it if not :)

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 30.Aug 11:55, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Cofidis has clarified the fine, Bouhanni pushed himself forward from the car. My school spanish didn't get that from the sentence^^

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Aug 11:52, 2018
Bouhanni just said to Cyclingnews that he would stay in Cofidis for one more year, mainly because he didn't find another team probably

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 30.Aug 10:13, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
thanks JJJ

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Thursday 30.Aug 09:36, 2018
Although he’s not a sprinter royale, I don’t think FDJ regret chosing Demare over Bouhanni.

Can’t see him staying at Cofidis, but can’t see who would take him now either. Willier or Androni?

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 30.Aug 09:24, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's not a sticky bottle, unless he was helping the car along.

It reads like cherry-coated description of a punch. I don't think they'd give him a time penalty for pushing the car.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 30.Aug 09:15, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
"Empujes contra un vehículo" This isn't punching tho? Maybe AS(who reported it) got it wrong and it was some sticky bottle or similar

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 30.Aug 08:11, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Instead of other riders Bouhanni's now fighting also team cars :D and to think Cofidis are paying 1.5m/year to this tool.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 30.Aug 07:52, 2018
Same story here, Sagan and Viviani has 0p earned, but i think it is just wrong value linked to that element of a page and not changing the total score.
Same as the error showing riders from the first team highlighted in results table, even if you replace them on the rest day.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 29.Aug 23:37, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
its stage 3 that isnt counted because here, unlike in the Tour, its not a TTT, which i tried to get geraint to understand

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 29.Aug 23:27, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Some of my scores are incorrect on the Manager page. But are correct on the Team View page.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 29.Aug 22:32, 2018
Thanks guys.

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 29.Aug 22:17, 2018
Now I understood what Epo was reporting the other day. Its a visual thingy if its in the manager team viewer itself (GT managers still on another system then the rest of the games...).

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Wednesday 29.Aug 22:15, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Have a feeling it could be a visual error. have re-ran the manager and still showing 0 pts. I will let Tomas know.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 29.Aug 22:05, 2018
Question about the manager game. I just noticed that on my team both Viviani and Trentin don't have any points at all. I know Viviani won stage 3 and I'm fairly sure Trentin should have also gotten some points from that stage. If someone can check on that I'd appreciate it. TY.

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 29.Aug 21:27, 2018
Valverde has said he's free to race the Vuelta however he wants for the entire race. He's free to go after stages or GC or whatever he wants. If he's working for Quintana it's because he has chosen to do so.
Vicktor is correct that Valverde is the team leader of Movistar (Movstar has stated this several times). Movistar has also differentiated between team leader and race leader. I also agree that with Contador's retirement Valverde is also the leader of all of Spanish cycling. There is no way Valverde plays domestique to Quintana in not only two GTs in a row, but also in the Spanish Grand Tour to a non Spaniards. (If Landa was there maybe a different story.) Also the Vuelta is his favorite race.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 29.Aug 20:11, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
lolz. he's going back to that old habit where he sees Si Clarke at every race

"IS IT SIMON CLARKE PERHAPS???" usually not on startlist :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 29.Aug 19:35, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Oh no a Simon Clarke win. That will give Carlton Kirby years more ammunition to prattle on about the Aussie. :)

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 29.Aug 14:18, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
25 man breakaway. Fast stage so far.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 29.Aug 14:12, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
But then again .. today's stage ... with a 11 km 4% ish climb with summit 26 km togo followed by a 17 km rather techniqual descending, coolbet holds Viviani as biggest favourite... odds 10 though ... :D

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 29.Aug 14:02, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seems like the whole world agrees that a guy with a 10th and a 12th position in his two last GT's the last two years, on a course that doesn't exactly scream out Quintana, is HUGE HUGE favourite to win this thing :D the odds of 3 on coolbet sais it all ... HUGE favourite :D

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 29.Aug 13:43, 2018
Actually, I think Valverde has that permission during the whole Vuelta, regardless of the performances of Quintana. He is still THE leader of the team of Movistar (and the Spanish cycling), not Quintana. Besides I don't think Valverde will play domestique in two GT's in a row, especially not in his home race for a foreigner with a profile suiting him probably better than Quintana.

And two team leaders in one team at the same race are not really new in Grand Tours.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 29.Aug 11:08, 2018
Kwiato probably does not really know what that means to have "bad day" in a Gran Tour, because he never rode as GC contender. He has been pulling really hard on the ascents, when working on Froome or Thomas, but as domestique you may have many bad days, without any consequences.
He said, he has been working on climbing abilities, but he didn't even do a recon on the climbs of Vuelta, so this is as he said: an "experiment". I think he will fade out of the top 10 at the end of the second week, then regain some time at TT the last week.

Quintana is probably preparing the form-high for the last week. Until then, it looks like Valverde has permission to do what he wants, as long Quintana stays in game.

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 28.Aug 22:20, 2018
Valverde's comments were something about he could have gone with Yates, but that he instead decided that conserving energy and helping Quintana who was struggling badly was a better option for today. The bigger point on that is apparently pulling a group is conserving energy?

sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 28.Aug 21:57, 2018
Don't know if Valverde and Kwiato can make it to the end without a single bad day, if any of the two manage to do that would be impressive

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 18:01, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Valverde behaviour in the end here today proves his gc intentions :))

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:59, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Thought Pinot might have gone pop in today's heat. Must be in good nick.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:54, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Close

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:53, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yates in jersey ?

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:49, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Giro. Take 2. :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:48, 2018
Can he hold it 3 weeks this time?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:47, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hahaha ... Yates could't hold it anymore

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:45, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I hope King win the stage now

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:37, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Agree ... he had 5 minutes + on jersey with 18 km togo ... not enough

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:36, 2018
Have my doubts, gaps not big enough I think

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:29, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
The betting is on ... will he make it

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:28, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Ben King on jesrsey hunt big time now ...

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 28.Aug 17:02, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sky trying to nurse Kwiatkowski through his second GT in a year for the first time. Be prepared for a lot of breakaway's staying clear.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 28.Aug 11:09, 2018
In lack of a pure favourite in general classification, it became obviuos that Valverde will be showing off. The only reason i I placed him behind Kwiato, was suprizingly high confidence showed by both Kwiato himself and the Sky boss when talking about the GC chances. Looks like it may be a first step in evolving Kwiato to a GC, (as it happened with Dumoulin recently). He will still not win the Vuelta, maybe not even make it into top 10, but he is a good "score-machine" the first week. I hope he will keep his jersey(s) after todays stage.
I regret a bit not having Quintana and Aru in the squad as they may be the only ones "dumb enough" to attack on the first mountain stage.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Tuesday 28.Aug 03:22, 2018
I haven't followed his statements, but I doubt if it would changed anything for me. Valverde was together with Kwiatkowski my only option for captain this race, due to their stage points advantage over other GC contenders, and regarding Valverde my previous comment. I picked the Spainiard for being a safer bet regarding GC chances and being a better climber on the real mountains.

To be honest, the Tour doesn't say anything to me. El Imbatido was more domestique than team leader with a place outside the top 10 being too meaningless to bother defending it with all his powers, other than purposely losing time. Also, the Tour has always been a second level race for Valverde, behind the Vuelta. It's his home race and their profile generally favours for him as well, unlike the straig forward Tour with too regular climbs. Especially now with the Worlds, his biggest shot at the rainbow jersey. The end of the Vuelta lays within reach of the Worlds in terms of form peak.

PS: The combative award is still there (see official website), but is based on fan votes, not on a jury like the Tour. At least, that is what the Flemish commentators said during the stage.

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 27.Aug 22:40, 2018
Well Valverde apparently (apparently because I haven't watched the stage, was working) did sprint for a top 15 place today in a field sprint.

Goon, I can understand not putting Bala higher than 100 only because he's made so many contradictory statements before the start of the Vuelta to where it was hard to decipher what he was saying.

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 27.Aug 20:09, 2018
If Valverde really sprint for top 10/15 in any sprint stage might be worth taking him even if he doesn't win nay more stages.
For the sprinters Trentin out of shape, Sagan recovering, tough for anyone to beat Viviani with this kind of support

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 27.Aug 17:22, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Aaaah.. . What a refreshment with well prepared commentators who seems to be really surprised by Campenaerts will to do a race here :D ... take a look at the overall standings guys ... Campenaerts is virtual leader right now ...

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Monday 27.Aug 10:37, 2018
My bad. I totally miss the news about Porte not beinng in shape.. and also not really targeting the GC. And it looks like the BMC team was not really aware of that either :) , annonuncing officially the GC change after two stages.. well, will be a vacant position at 125% by the next rest day :).

The combined jersey is quite ridiculous: a rider in top 10 in GC will never be alowed to go solo, and this is exactly what he needs to get higher position in points and KOM. So at this moment the top 3 seems to be unthreatened for at least one week :)

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 27.Aug 10:17, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Congratulations Boris :))

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 27.Aug 09:58, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Marek..... like Gavirias knee problem yesterday, there was possible to read yourself to knowledge about Porte's condition as well.... this shows how dedicated you have to be for this game ... Sagan's was well known ... I guess that 99 of our players, including you, didn't care about that ... and I see why ... Sagan is Sagan :D .... and I'm sure he will sprint today ... it will be hard to beat Viviani of course, but a second place is within reach ...
I am actually more umbarrest over my ranking of Valverde on 100 only than my Porte pick... i mean, Of course, it's still way too early to conclude anything, but with this course in this race, this looks like a special made ala TdF 2012 course for Valverde .... though it's explainable with the uncertainty of which of Quintana or Valverde is the real plan A, and his statement in interviews pre race ... plus Valverdes rather pore TdF performance .... it was reason to have some doubts ....
What really surprise me in this game, is not the numbers of players picking Sagen or Porte, but Quintana... I mean a guy on the same team as ( in my opinion the pre race favourite ) Valverde, with a 12th and 10th position gc in his last two GT performances, on a course that really don't suit him very well, he's 3rd most picked guy, and together with Lopez most picked captain ... I guess I will eat this words at some point during this race, but it seems to me that I am not the only one reading Axelgaards previews in here.... I was one of the few dare to ignore it though...

sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 27.Aug 01:13, 2018
Most selective stage 2 of a GT ever?

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 26.Aug 20:04, 2018
I'm sure they have the combative award, but how they decide to actually hand it out is anyone's guess. Plus they love to try to come up with reasons to give it to Spaniards. The one I'll never forget is Valverde getting it on the stage he won in 2014 and literally no one could figure out the criteria for the award at that point. Not sure it's gotten any clearer.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Sunday 26.Aug 19:56, 2018
Huh.. decided to not include Sagan, then saw him at the team presentation, new-showered, confident, splendid.. and there he is :) Hope he will value my loyality, and bring at least some top 5 places in this reduced sprinters bunch. And then is Porte.. what to say..? At least he did not abandoned the race ..yet?

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 26.Aug 18:57, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
They have awarded it, just took their time doing so.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 26.Aug 18:31, 2018
They finally realized that they couldn't give it to Aramendia anymore and then no point in continuing the award

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 26.Aug 18:25, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
did they drop the combative award this year?

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Sunday 26.Aug 18:03, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
There is but we don't count it.

MiguelSimoes 35 [Pro Cycling Team 35] Sunday 26.Aug 18:01, 2018
27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Guys, no Kombinado jersey here at Vuelta?

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 26.Aug 05:44, 2018
Viktor, I'm with you on thoughts on Valverde and how he'll race. His comment today was the first time he was less contradictory. He said he has a completely free roll in the Vuelta this year. That he's free to go for stage wins when ever he wants and to race for the overall GC win if he wants. Until today he's been really bad for contradictory comments saying completely different things in the same sentence not just the answer to a question.

I think you're right that he's not going to play the role of super domestique in this race. He only sort of semi did it in the Tour and I don't think he's really willing to do that in his home Grand Tour which is the race he's also called his favorite race of the season multiple times. His sense of, I think, both pride and maybe a responsibility to his fans to not go after whatever he can get out of the Vuelta. One other little thing we're also forgetting, although he hasn't talked about it in awhile is that he also really wants to tie the Vuelta podium record. He has 6 currently (including his win) and the record is 7. One more interesting point is there is only one climb finish that is really suited to the pure climbers and as typically with the Vuelta no real high altitude. Most of the mountain top finishes are punchier climbs as it typical o Spanish climbs and are preferably suited to Valverde's skill set. So I almost think that yet again it may come down to which is more important to him, a real shot at the rainbows, more history in the worlds, and adding to his legacy with a rainbow jersey and gold medal or a shot at the Vuelta podium and the history that brings and yet more crazy records on his palmares.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 26.Aug 00:45, 2018
Of course is Valverde at least co-leader for a Spanish team in the Spanish GT, a race he has been able to win in the past. Anything less wouldn't have been accepted by either the fans or the sponsor, who pays millions a year for having a team with Spain's best rider.

I'm more curious to what he actually will do. Valverde wants to become World Champion, but has too much sense of pride to not try to make the most out of it in his home race, thus trying to ride the best GC possible for his current form and set of skills. Especially since he already has played for domestique in the Tour, two GT's in row doing that is probably too much for him.

Never opted for Porte in the first place and his illness was extra reason to not to. I don't see him finish due to his awfully lack of bike handling skills, very handy for a pro cyclist, and now he is sick as well. For the stage points there is too much competition.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 26.Aug 00:23, 2018
Sagan said he's getting better, but definitely not at 100% yet after today's stage.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Saturday 25.Aug 21:57, 2018
Not a bad time by Nibali by all means, but he looked like he he was taking it pretty easy and really might only be looking for stage wins.

I thought Porte's self-reported gastro issues was bullshitting, but seems like no bull indeed.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 25.Aug 20:57, 2018
Movistar has said Valverde and Quintana are co race leaders. Valverde through all the contradictory stuff he's said about the Vuelta and Worlds did say he has a free role to go after whatever stage wins he wants AND to go after GC and win the whole thing if he wants. The one thing he has consistently stated is that he's aiming to hit his 2nd peak of the year in the 3rd week of la Vuelta and plans to hold that all the way through Lombardia. With him it is possible for him to hold that 2nd peak that long as he has proven he can hold a peak that long including this spring. We'll see if he's managed to time it correctly.

Great TT's today for Dennis, Carpendts (I know I spelled that wrong), and Kwiat. Most of the GC riders appear to be within 20 seconds of each other.

One other thought is that stage two has Valverde's name written all over it for a stage win.

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 25.Aug 20:47, 2018
And here my manager team is set up for him to told it from start to finish, and he giefs it to Dennis on day 1...

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Aug 20:40, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Kwiato in red tomorrow already? ... after my schedule he was not suppose to be in red before Tuesday :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 25.Aug 18:44, 2018
"I suggest anyone who picked Richie gets to replace him with a reserve." <-- the worst thing is that I would have voted for this ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Aug 18:31, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Agree :D ... then the my biggest " enter my team "
fighter Buchmann would be in play :D

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Saturday 25.Aug 18:22, 2018
I suggest anyone who picked Richie gets to replace him with a reserve.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 25.Aug 18:18, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
We can discuss a trade in December

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 25.Aug 18:14, 2018
My season fantasy management is crying about Porte not caring about any race anymore

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Aug 18:11, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Bystrøm beats Richie Porte :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Aug 18:04, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Porte 31 sek behind Baarle

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 25.Aug 18:01, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
Went for ~170 GC points after 3 weeks instead

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Saturday 25.Aug 18:00, 2018
Can’t be a hipster team with Valverde.

Given my dislike + obvious non-selection of Dohan, I’m hoping for Castroviejo today.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 25.Aug 17:53, 2018
And still you didn't chose him?

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Saturday 25.Aug 17:34, 2018
I was so far behind goal of top 15 overall in the summer I’m just going for speculative teams now - hope my 9 climber’s will give a stage win or two - even with #NoBala

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 25.Aug 17:30, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
Today Rohan Dennis wins and bags 170 points including 40 for the combative award..

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 25.Aug 12:28, 2018
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
you're not alone, goon, you're not alone.. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Aug 10:36, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
With that being said .... oooooh... I'm gonna loooose this game .... no Sagan and no Quintana on my team ... I'm such an idiot :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Aug 10:29, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's funny though ... Valverde... with his big big chance for his world's title in the same season there's a pretty perfect Vuelta course for him ... I mean, alot og punshy finishes, there's just about a perfect amount of TT km, and except from the Andorra climb ... a 17 km 6.6% thing on stage 19, there's no really long climbs for the specialists.... no high altitude stages either ... for me this smells like a inshape Valverde course a long way ... but I haven't heard a word about him as favourite .... very strange ...

Point is ... 15 months ago nobody would held the world's against him for not winning the Vuelta at the same time with a course like this ....

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Saturday 25.Aug 08:28, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
nah it's Stannard's turn EPO

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 25.Aug 07:53, 2018
Surprisingly enough it's Mitchelton-Scott I have two riders from on my 9 man squad. The only other team with more than 1 rider is QS but one of those is a reserve.
To answer Andy's question no one from AG2R. Of course I did include my boy on the team, however with all of his contradictory comments I have no clue what his plans are for the race.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 25.Aug 01:07, 2018
2nd FC-manager overall - 2nd FC-manager last 6 weeks
just answered q in pm.
where can i put money on Luke Rowe as next Tour winner?

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 25.Aug 00:30, 2018
I've actually spent my proper time on this one regarding the manager. And speaking as a former betting analytic I'm as sure of this one as I was on Horner - so if someone can link me where I can get the best odds on Kwiatkowski as the winner, it would be VERY much appreciated.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 24.Aug 23:55, 2018
But how many Ag2r riders do you have? I got them all currently of course

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 24.Aug 21:55, 2018
I also didn't put Sagan on my team. He doesn't look to be healed from his injuries from the Tour crash yet. However, I do have 2 QS riders, even if one is a reserve.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Aug 18:59, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well, you gotta drop at least one Cannon ... and why not Sagan ... He has been way off his level after his tour crash ... and i just saw an interview with him where he sais he is mostly here for the training and healing .. He sais he is not 100 % yet, but he hopes to he better day by day, and hopely make a stage win at some point during the race.... a pretty defensive Sagan there ....

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Friday 24.Aug 13:20, 2018
Seems like it will be my first manager without Sagan, unless you guys have some innside info about what he is into in this years Vuelta, except of wearing 100% alpine gogles after each stage :). I'm also not certain regarding Aru. He seems to be most motivated GC of all in bunch but I have issues to trust his form, especially in TT.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Aug 10:53, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
3 and 6 is definitely Vivianis... and maybe ( except Dennis on the opening ITT) the only close to a sure thing in this race :D

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Aug 10:51, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Nah.. but seriously . .. I still got 30 hours to come to my senses .... but the thought is that stage 5 and 7 is too hard for Viviani ...

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Aug 10:37, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I found a way Andy .... I found a way :D .... not a good way, but a way :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 24.Aug 10:31, 2018
Not sure how you managed that, at least 4 stage wins to them

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Aug 10:30, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Insanely.... my current Vuelta team is quick step less ... whaaaat ? ... that can't be good :D

Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 22.Aug 22:41, 2018
Very open GC race. Who knows which riders will actually go after GC and who is truly focused on the Worlds. (Although I think it's safe to bet Nibali and Valverde are more focused on the Worlds, but won't pass up opportunities in la Vuelta).

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Aug 17:53, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
My thought as well Aragonite ... Kwiato is a point picker ala S. Yates in the Giro perhaps ... with Yates being mentioned ... I wonder if he learned a little something with that experience :D ... maybe a little calmer starter this time :D

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 22.Aug 17:37, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
We are looking for big points scorers not necessarily GC candidates. I can easily see Kwiatkowski making the podium on the ITT. Then some of them uphill finishes in the first eight days suit him perfectly, which could then result in a leaders jersey. Added to that it's not unheard of for him to compete in the sprints, if he were too, a top five would not be out of the question.
I think I have just persuaded myself to put him back in my team. :)

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Aug 17:13, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Kwiato will never win a GT unless the field is unusual weak, or it is a special made 2012 TdF edition coming up.... but I'm sure he could make a top 10 ... and why not this Vuelta... I can't find one single rider I don't question here ... including Kwiato ... it seems like anything can happen here ... only thing I feel pretty confident about, is that Viviani wins a flat sprint if things goes close to normal :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 22.Aug 17:04, 2018
If you have ambition to win Vuelta you don't race Tour full gas and then win Pologne. That's like racing Giro as super-domestique, then to Dauphine and then go to the Tour. Dauphine is of course harder than Pologne, but you see my point.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 22.Aug 16:43, 2018
Well, it could be both: dark horse or big dissapointment. Kwiato did a good TdF, then a week later won TdP, it would surprise me if he was still in his top form. My guess is that Sky tries to reduce the pressure an eventual GC would experience while being a sole leader. Top 10 would be success for any rider of the current line-up, and it is achievable.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 22.Aug 14:30, 2018
5th FC-manager overall - 6th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I thought I was including the proverbial 'dark horse' with Kwiatkowski, until I read this thread. Might look elsewhere for a game changer now.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Aug 13:55, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yeah ... SKY send their reserves team ... SOME reserves by the way ... looks pretty good of you ask me :D

Team Skys hold til Vueltaen:

Michal Kwiatkowski

David de la Cruz

Teo Geoghegan Hart

Pavel Sivakov

Jonathan Castroviejo

Sergio Henao

Salvatore Puccio

Dylan van Baarle

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Aug 13:35, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
From the top of my head ... Dennis is favourite to hold the jersey to stage 4, and then Kwiato is taking over . .. but also Sagan can be on position for the jersey after stage 2 ... so maybe Dennis is no good ... besides, BMC is all Porte :D

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Aug 13:29, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
So ... the big question manager-vice .... where to put red jersey favourite most of week 1 Kwiato, and wether to have Dennis or not for the same reason ?? Any suggestions guys :D

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 22.Aug 12:32, 2018
Sky just annonunced theis squad an it looks like there is no sole leader with both De La Cruz and Kwiato with GC ambition.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 22.Aug 11:01, 2018
3rd FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
They will. Can't imagine Kwiato for GC tbh

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 22.Aug 09:38, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Will Sky not ride for De La Cruz? He was very vocal in spanish media about having his chance now and that riding with Froome at the Giro was like going to GT university.

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 22.Aug 08:51, 2018
I was actually thinking exactly the same. Kwiato himself said it is funny how he was focusing on Ardenes and classics this season and all he won are stage races: Tireno Adriatico, Volta ao Algarve, Tour de Pologne. The question is how much help will he get from a team that seems to have achieved all goals for this season and not care about Vuelta. Kwiatkowski is known as the domestique that literaly dies for the leader. Now Sky have a chance to pay him back, but instead they put "reserves" in that race.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 22.Aug 07:58, 2018
On the Kwiatkowski and the GC stuff. If he has a focus on GC, which I doubt with these Worlds in Innsbruck, I think he can pull something off here. Let's not forget he finished already 11th in the Tour on the age of 23. Yes, that was a TT heavy Tour, but you still don't finish that high in the Tour by solely a TT. Since then Kwiat hasn't become a worse rider. He won TA earlier this season and was great in the Tour this year.

The relatively easy flat run-in mountain stages (_______/) aren't particularly in his disadvantage, neither are the percentages on those typical Spanish climbs. The Polish former WC has a sprint as well, capable of beating like Valverde. He is one of the best ITT specialists in this field as well.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Tuesday 14.Aug 23:45, 2018
On closer inspection I'm quite surprised that almost all the mountain stages of this Vuelta have a long, flat run-in to the final climb given their propensity for serrated profiles.

I fear this will be as dull as the 2014-edition where every mountain stage was Froome, Contador, Valverde and Purito battling it out on the final climb. Often with the Spanish trio bickering in amongst themselves.

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 14.Aug 22:58, 2018
According to Movistar unless Landa has any set backs with his injury he will be at la Vuelta.

I have no clue why Sagan is going. Even the Vuelta's so called flat sprint stages have categorized climbs.

On a humorous note, La Vuelta's official twitter page tweeted that Valverde has 11 participation and wants everyone opinion on your best memory of his participation. The funny part is Alejandro responded asking if he's really been in that many Vueltas. His comment is: 11 already? Good memories after so many years of la Vuelta enjoying (and suffering).

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 14.Aug 14:17, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
40 km pan flatt TT isn't exactly a disadvantage for him either ....

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 14.Aug 14:14, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Looks like a great opportunity for Kelderman to finally podium a GT....

Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 14.Aug 13:02, 2018
Vuelta is usualy the most mountainous Gran Tour, but seems like most of the typical climbers are aiming for Insbruck instead of GC here.
Unsure what is injured Sagan doing in a race with barely 3 flat stages? Kwiato as a GC sounds like a joke, but he might grab a red jersey after first stage and keep it until stage 4, maybe even 9. Still unclear who will be GC for BORA, seems like it didn't work out for Majka this season, so they may go for Buchmann.

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 12.Aug 19:34, 2018
Landa wants to be at la Vuelta so he can go to the Worlds.

Also unless Movistar wants to alienate the majority of their Spanish fan base (which is their core base) they must keep Valverde as Co Leader rather he's prepared for the Worlds or not. Many Spanish fans won't put up with a Spanish team not having a Spanish leader for the Spanish Grand Tour. The other thing is the Spanish National team doesn't like taking riders who haven't raced the Vuelta to the Worlds.

boris03 [Cycling lions] Saturday 11.Aug 21:25, 2018
Most likely scenario, in my opinion, for Movistar now is Quintana being sole leader, Valverde racing as strong liutenant and preparing for Worlds (he can still reach top 10 I think) and Landa skipping the Vuelta.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 11.Aug 21:23, 2018
Great question and haven't heard anything really. Original plan was Valverde as sole leader. They are still hoping Landa can race it. Valverde is back to his typical let's downplay any chance I have of literally doing anything. Who they intend on sending with Valverde, Quintana, and (maybe/hopefully) Landa is anyone's guess. After saying that they are going to expect one of their riders to be competing for the overall, although with the injuries that's highly unlikely to be Landa.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Saturday 11.Aug 19:55, 2018
Anyone know what Enric Mas' current situation is after his Wallonie-crash?

Koronin - what are Movistar's plans here?

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 5.Aug 14:36, 2018
I generally don't read topics on races that far in the future. ;)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 5.Aug 14:08, 2018
A long time since I posted that one ;) But yes, they have a good team, although I think they don't get the results they should have got with the team.

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 5.Aug 00:20, 2018
Andy, Cofidis isn't just a sponsor, but I think also one of the PCT teams with potentially one of the most in-depths squads for a GT. Not every PCT team has cyclists like Laporte, Bouhanni, Herrada brothers, Navarro, Mate, Simon in their ranks.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 4.Aug 22:59, 2018
Several of us figured Valverde would win Abu Dhabi when we a) realized he finally had a Strava account and b) uploaded his training ride times up the climb for the only mountain stage. By the way if you aren't following him on Strava, he did upload his Tour data to his Strava account.

Assassin [Troy The Trader] Saturday 4.Aug 22:44, 2018
16th FC-manager overall - 21th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Andy is a leading figure in the Strava Stalking community :D

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 4.Aug 22:44, 2018
To add to the comment about the revitalization of Spanish cycling. Valverde and his amateur team (which he started in 2012 for young children, cadets and juniors) are adding a U-23 and an elite team to the roster of teams they currently have. Valverde finally has the full sponsorship he needed to get the U-23 team started, and they said something about looking to hire directors for the U-23 and Elite teams.

As for the wild cards, the 3 Spanish Pro Conti teams and Cofidis makes total sense for la Vuelta. The Vuelta is the biggest race on the Spanish calendar and they need to promote Spanish cycling to their home audience which is the backbone of the race. (Actually a similar reason that Movistar has to have a Spanish leader for the Vuelta. They have to make sure their core fans are happy.)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 4.Aug 22:41, 2018
He also said he would race just to get better in 2019. I don't trust anything from Sky though until it is official or I see it on Strava like I did with Bernal to Tour.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 4.Aug 22:34, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I guess so .... not all that surprising considering how the Tour went ... i think he said he would ride it IF he won ...

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 4.Aug 22:32, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sorry Andy ... corrections :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 4.Aug 22:31, 2018
10th FC-manager overall - 18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Kwiato for GC in Vuelta.... quite interesting news :))

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 4.Aug 22:30, 2018
Is Froome ruled out? Gabba said he would race it before the Tour, but maybe he has changed his mind now

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 27.Jan 16:59, 2018
I don't understand how anybody can complain at Vuelta wildcards. Cofidis is must because they are sponsor of the race, and three Spanish pro-conti teams who all need the wildcard to promote Spanish cycling and I rather want Basque team than Aqua Blue who doesn't have any big riders.

johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Saturday 27.Jan 16:31, 2018
8th FC-manager overall - 5th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's only natural for the spanish race organiser to help the revitalization of spanish cycling. Burgos BH and Euskadi-Murias need these wildcards to have something to show to their sponsors, and with the career end of Purito and Pistolero they really need those new impulses. Otherwise the Vuelta will lose out a lot in their main market.

Furthermore I think Aqua Blue Sports is way overhyped. 22nd of the 2017 Europe Tour and without Denifl they would have no real success to show for. And Denifl isn't a wildcard maker.

Partykjeppen [Il Piccolo Partykjepps] Saturday 27.Jan 14:32, 2018
I'm very happy to see that Spanish cycling seems to be on a slightly upwards curve again after the abundance of both teams and races being discontinued the last five years.

Contador's new team should mean we'll get to see more Spaniards contest the bigger U23-races, new teams entering and existing ones upping their level means there is once again a natural pathway for these talents but also a more vivid undergrowth to sustain the community as a whole. Entering stage info for the first half of the season these last days, it's been great seeing a handful of new Spanish races enter the calendar.

With all this in mind, I still think it's a bit nationalist overkill if all the three Spanish pro-contis get a wildcard for this year's Vuelta. Surely two would be enough so one can be given to Aque Blue which both have a much better set of riders but also rode brilliantly in last year's edition.