Jspear [Jspear] Monday 24.Jul 01:39, 2017
Yeah Tora I'm curious to see the results as well. :)
Im weird. I haven't looked at the results since yesterday and I don't want to till the final score is out. I have no clue if I'm gonna jump up or down the score board. This GT was very weird with all the crashing.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Sunday 23.Jul 23:15, 2017
You're right about Kittel, goon, however I'm sure he would keep the green anyway.. at least by winning in Paris
I wrote that "Aru will be gone in third week", right after he won the first mountain stage and people started to put him as potential winner. I also wrote about Movistar not "destroying" anything, and about Quintanas lack of strategical thinking, before Tour even started.
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 23.Jul 22:37, 2017
As soon as Valverde crashed Movistar totally disappeared, which was not exactly unexpected. That is exactly what happened to them when he was given his doping ban. The team disappeared. We have proven Quintana can't lead the team. Now we get to find out if Fernandez can lead the team.
As for an update on Valverde, his doctor in Spain has said (interview published in an article today was conducted either yesterday or Friday) that he is bending his knee to 90 degrees and they are planning on getting him into the pool and on a bike in the pool to start riding again. They feel they need to get him on a asap to keep as much muscle memory as possible even though the bones won't be healed for another 3 weeks.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 23.Jul 21:20, 2017
Hahaha .... Marek .... SLIGHTLY easyer to predict a GT after 9 stages than pre start :D .... You was wrong about Kittel and no treaths though ... Matthews was 9 points behind when he abandons, and then stage 19 would be very different ....
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Sunday 23.Jul 20:42, 2017
As predicted 2 weeks ago: Froome keeps yellow, Yates white, Kittel ..actually with no threat for green until crash.. I was also right about Kwiato to be a key rider for SKY, Movistar to not even exist ...Aru, Martin and Porte to be gone in the last week.
With all those right guesses, I wonder why my manager game is such a disaster :). Maybe this TdF was just extremely predictable?
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 23.Jul 17:15, 2017
goon, we could all put together a pretty good manager out of that list of riders. Heck I had 4 of that list on my manager to start with.
Valverde, Porte, Izagirre, and Fuglsang for GC
Sagan, Kittel, Cav, Demare for sprints
Then add Majka for extra points.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Sunday 23.Jul 17:08, 2017
He tried to see if he could finish in front of Tejay a few years ago in case of fortuitous splits as I think he was only marginally behind after final TT. Would've checked if I wasn't at an amusement park
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 23.Jul 17:05, 2017
32 riders out of the race ... ok, so that I can belive, but listen to this names
Izagirre ... and some other pretty huge names
Gesink .... I could build a pretty decent manager team out of this list :D
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 23.Jul 16:58, 2017
If anyone has proven you can get better with your TTing and maintain your climbing it would be Valverde. On the other hand taking a force year and a half off is probably not the best way of doing that either.
Question does Landa get the Tour team next year or does Quintana get the Tour team next year at Movistar? The other will get the Giro and the Vuelta will to go Valverde if he feels he can go after it.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 23.Jul 16:57, 2017
Can't see he doing it either, only bonus sec to top 3 at the finish line, so difficult for mountain goats. Will be interesting to see if anybody tries an attack on the final kilometers today, not too strong sprinter teams, and riders like Kwiato and GVA can manage to hold on and do a Vino here.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 23.Jul 16:31, 2017
Pinot hasn't manage to be good on both TT and climbing at the same time. That Bardet doesn't want to train on TT just makes me a bigger fan of him, even though it is stupid, I like the mentality.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 23.Jul 15:21, 2017
Well, Bardets desperate fight for podium was pretty exiting .... I was just expecting it to be against Uran for second :D ... Landa showes why he can win TdF next year and Uran showes that he can when he really needs to ..... disappointing TT by Bardet ... expected more from him ..... but you can see it with your bare eyes, he is terrible on the TT bike .....
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 23.Jul 15:07, 2017
So boring to watch them anyway, especially for us used to the fantastic coverage of interval starts in biathlon and cross-country skiing. Only one real good stage in this Tour and that was the short mountain stage, the rest were mostly either bunch sprint or mountain sprint.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Sunday 23.Jul 13:06, 2017
Tour de never ending foreplay for me in pure Partykjeppian lingo. Simmering tensions for the last two weeks never climaxing, just wiltering away to a dull TT. Bring back the 2015-Giro!
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Sunday 23.Jul 12:40, 2017
I see Landa and Kwiatkowski go on a late break. Landa then goes for podium, Kwiato goes for well-deserved stage win. His "burger and corona" yesterday is a clear message that he is now released from the duty.
Would be at least an exciting moment in this rather boring TdF.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 23.Jul 09:07, 2017
So Landa will go for a 2005 Vinokorouv ..... well, he might try .... always one guy trying to steal the win with an long sprint/attack from distance ... and with no Fdj and Quick step it might work :D .... nah, it won't happen, but would have been fun if he tryd though :)))
Greipel or Groenewegen today ... I hope for Edvald of course, and Kristoff ...
but Kristoff doesn't feel that good yet, so that i doubt .... Katusha might go for Zabel today :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 23.Jul 01:50, 2017
It may or may not be Movistar´s worst Tour ever. Remember the team has been around since the 70´s and if I remember right they did not have a good 2011 Tour either. This would be one of their worst though. If nothing else it did prove that not only is Valverde their team leader but also their heart and soul. The team totally collapsed when he got hurt.
Remember Barin Merida lost their leader on stage one when Izagirre got hurt pretty badly in the same corner that Valverde crashed in.
Now will Landa go after that 1 second to get on the podium? Who knows. It is a 21 day race rather everyone likes the idea or not. Valverde did go after the green jersey on the final stage of the 2015 Vuelta and won it.
sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 22.Jul 22:34, 2017
Team with no stage win/ no jersey: Movistar (worst Tour ever probably), BMC (11th place of Caruso won't save much), UAE (really unlucky got close many times), Katusha, Lotto Soudal, Cofidis (3 team focused on a single sprinter, don't think it makes much sense unless you have a really dominant one), Bahrain Merida (I almost never saw them), Wanty and Fortuneo
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 22.Jul 16:48, 2017
Lance speaks about Hushovd after 32 mins:
Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 22.Jul 15:09, 2017
A little late, but, just saw Edvald's stage win - was on a plane yesterday - and has to say that felt great!
(Btw: Norway's main newspaper getting trashed in the commentary-field, after writing about it quoting Lance: 'most impressive I've seen in this Tour!' in the headline :) )
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 21.Jul 21:29, 2017
Andy, it's possible, but I do believe he would have had yellow for a few days anyway and very likely a podium. He most likely would have struggled with the altitude on those two stages. It's his major weakness and one he can't do anything about. I remember Christian Vande Velde's comment in 2015 about Valverde and altitude. "He has lost more Tours than he would care to remember and than I ever had a shot at due to altitude." Valverde has said there's nothing he can do about it. He was born and raised and still lives at sea level and is very prone to altitude sickness. Although the 4 minutes he lost at the Giro was because the entire stage was at altitude. He's not as likely to loose as much time if he gets a reprieve from it.
Possible, but I think Valverde does get the Vuelta so he has a chance to chase the history he is after there. He needs 1 more podium at the Vuelta to tie a record for most ever podiums in that race at 7.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 21.Jul 20:57, 2017
I agree about Valverde, Koronin. However I think he would have lost too much time on Galibier and Izoard because of the altitude, he lost the Giro in altitude last year and could have happened again, but we will never get the answer of it, unfortunately. I think Landa gets the Giro, Nairo the Tour and then all three to Vuelta with no clear captain.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 21.Jul 19:56, 2017
Stage19 not too many points flying around in manager game. I have 1st, 27th, then jersey points. And finish joint second with EPO, on the stage. If only it was normally this easy!
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 21.Jul 19:14, 2017
This year's course was a perfect fit for Valverde and yes he would have been right there. The 2nd person I thought of was the course was a good fit for is Bardet and he's at least proven that correct.
For Landa all reports are he is headed to Movistar next year. So the question is with the Giro and Tour which one does Landa get and which one does Quintana get? Valverde will get the Vuelta as long as he feels he can do something with it.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 21.Jul 14:38, 2017
20 guys for the stage win today ... 12 of them previous GT stage winners, and alot of the known for aggressive offensive riding .... this won't be easy Edvald .... but if it comes down to a sprint, Edvald should win this .... although, not easy even then .... Arndt, Swift, Albasini/Keukeleire. .. not slow guys :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 21.Jul 14:05, 2017
Not sure Froome is any weaker than last year. When you consider the race has been set up to fit last years French runner up as much as possible, few summit finishes, lots of downhill skill necessary, and very short ITT's. Froome won by four minutes last year, should be close to two minutes this year. If as expected given his age Bardet should have improved since last year, suggests Froome isn't far from the form of last year. Wouldn't write Froome off just yet,, could easily have another Tour win in him.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 21.Jul 12:15, 2017
I'm probably a bit jaded from watching this week's stages condensed after midnight due to holiday, but just like last year I find this Tour to be a bit meh. Sky asphyxiating the race brilliantly, Froome in all likelihood winning solely on TT and riding conservatively in the mountains to save himself for the Vuelta. Even if today should turn out to be marred by echelons, no way AG2R or Cannondale will outfox Sky - rather the opposite.
Today might actually be Bouhanni's first stage win given two 90-degree turns in the last kilometer, the final one 400 meters before the finish line.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 21.Jul 09:31, 2017
A little sad though .... Even when Froome clearely is way weaker this season than he has been the last 5 years, he wins pretty comfortable. .... theres no doubt Porte would have been a HUGE treath, and i'm sitting here wondering what Fuglsang could have done .... Valverde would been very close also .... well, we'll never know .... can't wait til next year and Landa on a different team ... Let's say it like this, if Landa stays healthy, and have the tour as his goal, i promise to have him as Captain on my team here and now :D
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 21.Jul 05:24, 2017
He finished 2nd at the Spanish national championships in the TT. Only Castroviejo was better. Spain does have some decent TTers in their ranks. Landa has worked on his TTs since he went to Sky.
sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 21.Jul 03:24, 2017
I thought Landa was way worse than what you say on TT, anyway at most he can remain 4th if nothing crazy happens. Uran vs bardet is too close to call.
Tomorrow I think breakaway, who can and want to chase hard on a pretty though stage? Surely not Katusha or Lotto, Sunweb I don't know if they have the interest to do so, maybe Dimension Data and maybe Cofidis. But remain to see if they have the legs, for too many other team is the last chance to win something on this Tour
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 21.Jul 02:18, 2017
Landa is actually a decent time trialist and a little better than Aru. Uran would have to ride a TT the way he was a couple years ago vs what he has been doing more recently to jump Bardet as Bardet is also a decent TTer.
I agree Contador should end up 9th.
I think we can safely give Movistar the award for most disastrous Tour.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 21.Jul 00:10, 2017
Only two changes on the top 12 list ... Contador from 10 to 9th seems given and Uran and Bardet can change places .... maaaaaaybe Aru can do something with Landa, but that i doubt ....
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 20.Jul 22:15, 2017
I can understand this was a little confusing for you Andy .... but if you read it nice and slow, i bet you can see that i'm talking about Uran on second spot ...
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 20.Jul 21:57, 2017
Second spot, goon? Can't see Bardet losing it to Landa, he should be good enough in the TT to keep both Uran and Landa behind him. He hasn't been on his best in TT this year though, but did a decent TT in Düsseldorf compared to all GC candidates except of Froomie.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 20.Jul 21:18, 2017
Yeah ... Landa will go well saturday, no doubt about that, but I agree, 1 minute + seems a little too much on this semi short/long broke up TT .... but the fact that Uran might feel treathen from behind, can give him the second spot .... this part of the fight will be really interesting :)))
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 20.Jul 21:09, 2017
It has one steep climb for 1 km and the descent, except of that flat. Landa has more than one minute up to Uran, think it is too much, but Landa has been good time trialist since he went to Sky, so not impossible if Uran is on his usual TT legs.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 20.Jul 20:32, 2017
On the rest day and the go through of stages, i had Kristoff as favourite 1 on stage 19 with or without Kittel in the sprint ... but as we all know, that won't happen now after his terrible crash yesterday .... so who will win tomorrow then ? I guess Matthews got things going his way, Degenkolb looks good, but I really don't see either of them beat EBH if he finally manage to get into the sprint in a good position ... it doesn't even need to be perfect, just not 15 meters behind ... thats all i'm asking :D ... Good luck tomorrow Edvald :)))
sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 20.Jul 19:16, 2017
Contador likely to finish 9th and Quinatna 12th if Caruso show his usual TT skill. Barguil a deserved 10Th place.
Can't see Mentjens overcoming Yates for the white yersey. Martin likely to remain 6th.
My final GC prevision:
sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 20.Jul 19:08, 2017
Don't know if you guys had the chance to hear that but from italian tv Aru have admitted to be suffering of bronchytis. Considering that and the fact he prepared for the Giro and not the Tour he did well not to loose minutes in this two stages.
Can contend for the 4th place against Landa and is a sure top 5.
Froome obvious yellow, will be interesting between Uran and Landa. I hope the podium don't change cause I like Uran
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 20.Jul 18:20, 2017
Just done a quick check. Uran has had three ITT finishes in the 20's, and 30's this year. Which is loads better than last year. I agree though. Don't think the podium will change after the ITT.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 20.Jul 18:14, 2017
Besides. .. it looks like Uran is more than satisfide with podium, while Bardet eagars to win the whole thing .... my prediction is that Bardet keeps his second place :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 20.Jul 18:13, 2017
Funnily enough, Carlton Kirby claims the same on British Eurosport. Every ITT he is in CK has 'bigged him up' only to finish in the bottom half again, and again..
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 20.Jul 17:51, 2017
Uran Bardet on TT .... well, if Uran do what we know he can, Bardet is chanceless .... but if Uran does what he has done on timetrails these past couple of years, it will be a very interesting fight for second spot :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 20.Jul 15:58, 2017
DS is probably just pissed off with them being the only team, bar Sky, to make the break. 'If we can't win from the break, we are going to stop you'.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 20.Jul 13:46, 2017
Fear it'll just be Skybots setting too high a pace to attack until last ramp up to Isoard and Uran/Bardet more afraid to lose podium to go for the win. However, Aru's bust yesterday might wreck that and provide an early #AruFace off the front.
At least Astana, AG2R and Cannondale have packed the breakaway - finger's crossed that the sprint up the airstrip ends up being the only genuinely exciting mountain action this Tour. Still feel that Froome is a bit weaker than previous years, but riding a very brilliant containing ride and has the best team. If only Contador was at his best this would've been much more of a spectacle.
Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 20.Jul 13:18, 2017
Compo du groupe de 54
A. De Marchi, L. Calmejane, E. Gesbert, T. De Gendt, M. Minnaard, N. Politt, D. Impey, M. Lammertink, S. Geschke, R. Hardy, E. Sepulveda, A. Grivko, J. Roelandts, T. Gallopin, J. Venter, A. Valgren, S. Pauwels, A. Tulik, N. Edet, K. Durasek, T. Voeckler, D. Atapuma, M. Marcato, R. Sicard, B. Feillu, T. Benoot, D. Navarro, F. Vachon, T. Grmay, C. Gautier, D. Smith, A. Lutsenko, A. Talansky, S. Clarke, B. Swift, B. Mollema, R. Molard, S. Cummings, J. Herrada Lopez, J. Bakelants, A. Moinard, B. Kozhatayev, T. Machado, G. Brambilla, D. Ulissi, N. Roche, C. Betancur, S. Colbrelli, S. Chavanel, Z. Stybar, G. Martin, P. Rolland
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 20.Jul 10:21, 2017
Well, Aru does not look like the winner of TdF anymore. ..... today i got this image in my head ..... a pretty easy stage before the climbing starts ... that makes it easy for SKY to have full staff into col de Vars ... of course, Rowe and Knees will be gone, but Kiryienka, Henao, Kwiatkowski, Nieve and Landa will be with Froome at the bottom of col d'Izoard ... that means a monsterous pace that takes the edge of any temptations from the opponents to attack ... although, it will surprise me if at least Bardet doesn't try, and Martin of course .... Uran will just try to stay with Froome ( a little wierd though, becaus if theres one guy i think could challange Froome in the climbs here, others than Landa that is, it must be Uran ) .... in the end it will be two guys left, maybe 3 ( Uran ) .... a head shaking Froome and a monster strong looking Landa pounding away .... Froome will have his hands full just to stay on his wheel .... I guess Landa needs to slow down a little bit and let Froome win the stage .....
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 20.Jul 03:52, 2017
Davide Bramati of Quick Step was much smarter than the people on FDJ. Only losing their sprinter with a DNF instead OTL them with a couple of domestiques.
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 19.Jul 22:50, 2017
My opinion is Movistar got tired of arguing with him. It really felt they they said Fine you want to do it, do it, but don't complain to us about it because this is your choice. Don't forget they let Valverde do all three Grand Tours last year. Of course they comment to that was to thank Alejandro for letting them be a part of his "crazy" journey. Valverde also said after the Vuelta that he was glad he did, it was something he's always wanted to do, but he would never do it again.
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Wednesday 19.Jul 20:27, 2017
Well hmmm, Imo, If Movistar cared that much about keeping riders happy then they wouldn't have allowed/forced Nairo to do Giro-Tour double attempt. It isn't possible these days and i question myself as why they thought Quintana could do it.
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 19.Jul 19:09, 2017
Thomas, I've been hearing the rumors of Quintana leaving Movistar for maybe 2 weeks now. He or another team will have to buy out his contract, but that is not really that difficult as Movistar said last year when they let Izagirre buy out his contract, they would rather a rider leave than be unhappy and stay with them. They will always allow an unhappy rider to buy out his contract. They want riders on their team that want to be there and are happy to be there.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 19.Jul 15:57, 2017
I'm no doctor. But Kristoff seemed to be showing signs of concussion after his crash. Dazed and confused standing in the middle of the road, holding his bike, not really knowing what to do.
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 19.Jul 15:36, 2017
Sad about Kittel ... not many like him for some reason, but remeber this ... yesterdays stage would be WAY more boring without him .... he is the reason alone Sunweb made it a fun stage to watch .....
Contador on the road side again :D ... not that I get surprised anymore :D
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 19.Jul 14:27, 2017
Well, Contador attacked and Quintana tried to follow, but just not good enough. Contador has bridged up to today's breakaway and not too long to the top of Croix de Fer.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 19.Jul 10:15, 2017
Sieber DNS, Lotto Soudal‏ @Lotto_Soudal 2 min.2 minuten geleden Meer Unfortunately @MarcelSieberg has to abandon #TDF2017 due to gastrointestinal problems. Get well soon Sibi!
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 19.Jul 01:02, 2017
Unless Kittel ends up a DNS, DNF or OTL before, the key stage for Green will be Friday. That's similar to today (a real transition stage), only the hills more spread out and never really falt. The next stage the intermediate sprint lies after a hill, in advantage of Matthews, but on Thursday, there's no climb before the intermediate sprint.
Although he surprised me in that mountain stage, even fit it was very unlikely that Kittel could follow in the first half of yesterday's stage. Kittel is a pure anti climber. What surprised me the most, were the tactics of Quick Step to keep so many people surrounding Kittel, while Dan Martin was almost alone. There was no real chance Kittel could come back in the peloton after the first half of the stage. And it's not like Demare, as Kittel was save in the grupetto.
The lack of support for Martin, only Bauer and Brambilla, costs Martin 51 seconds. Especially since Brambilla is probably the weakest time triallist in their Tour team. You can't stage a group on the flat with the Italian. Even an ill Stybar could and should have been there, if the other three are there..
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Jul 23:00, 2017
Barguil going for mountain points, and possible stage wins. Matthews going for intermediate sprint points. Does have it's problems for Sunweb.
Sagan has spoilt the green jersey comp., over the past few years. Organizers finally found out how to deal with that.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 18.Jul 21:58, 2017
Kittel didn't look well at all today .... ok, so he is not the best climber in the world, but today he looked really bad in that first climb .... I was actually thinking about it when he was in focus ....
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 18.Jul 21:56, 2017
That is a possibility, didn't see Dan Martin very weak today though, just missed the split, but Kittel was indeed. And with a hard day today and maybe problems to eat food he can struggle the coming two days with the time limit, and I think that is the only way Bling can win the points jersey, with a likely 50 points to Kittel on Sunday, unless he do it Sagan-way and gets points in intermediate sprints on mountain stages. Hushovd used that tactic in 2009 when he defeated Cav and also in 2005 actually. Fun to have fight for the jersey again, can't remember similar since 2010.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Jul 21:48, 2017
Dan Martin said in interview that he had been suffering with the same illness which sent Gilbert home. Wondering if this may also have something to do with Kittel's performance today. Prior to the rest day he was 'flying' up the mountains. More DNS or DNF from the Quick-Step team maybe?
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Jul 20:45, 2017
According to Cycling News the chief commissaire is to speak to Degenkolb before tomorrows start before making a final decision with regard to a possible punishment.
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 18.Jul 20:20, 2017
If it's a full punch it should be DSQ. If it's just a small slap or a push a fine and a warnng it's enough. Can't tell from those immages.
Anyway nothing wrong in the sprint but Matthews just going to the limit of the rules
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 18.Jul 19:44, 2017
When I watched the finish, I thought he threw his arms up in celebration. On the rerun realised he was gesticulating towards Mathews. So I watched the finish three or four times. Imo Mathews did nothing wrong. Even if he had, you can't go striking another rider.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Tuesday 18.Jul 19:18, 2017
The images: https://twitter.com/NBCSNCycling/status/887350911458324480/photo/1
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 18.Jul 18:40, 2017
Bennati was the reason why Quintana was in the front group.
Now Matthews have a chance for the green jersey but he needs to get at least an intemediate spint in a mountain stage surprising Kittel and a lot of points in stage 19 if Kittel wins in Paris
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 18.Jul 18:17, 2017
Again, bad position and a great sprint from EBH .... well, I like what i see from this guy these days ... let's see if he can combine a great sprint with a good position when the worlds is on in Bergen in a couple of months then :))))
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 18.Jul 10:17, 2017
Todays stage will have pretty segnificant wind ... 8 m/s ..... from about 55 km togo ( when the flat starts ) and about 10 km ahead they will have cross tail .... the down side is that there will be more or less head wind and then tail wind from 45 km togo .... I guess we can blow a tune after echelons action today ..... unfortunately .... but we can hope :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Monday 17.Jul 23:31, 2017
I didn't put Quintana on my team in the first place. Of course I had Valverde as my team captain. If I was going to add another climber it would have to be Landa for the final week. I'm thinking I'm leaving Kittel at my 125 guy for now. Don't have anything to loose. Due to injuries I have 3 GC guys left.
sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 17.Jul 22:34, 2017
I dropped quintana at 100. Feel like is worth maybe a top 15 and doesn't have the legs for a stage win (3rd week is going to be worse for him).
Keeping Contador though beacause I think he can contest at least a stage and by doing so finishing top 10 in GC.
The question now is how many sprinter and how many stage hunters take, many places available
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 17.Jul 17:43, 2017
Just lol this story
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 17.Jul 16:22, 2017
Of course .... there's a couple of more options ... Dan Martin ... Uran .... move one of the norwegians up ( hungry in shape guys that i think will do well last week ) and Degenkolb, Bouhanni, Groenewegen or Greipel ...... but Landa shines as option no 1 for me ...... Barguil has climbed so far up the list in his kom Hunt now, that he maybe won't be alowed to go far, so he is not that interesting anymore .... but to drop Quintana, just to see him get his legs back, would be very very painful :D
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 17.Jul 15:53, 2017
Thanks guys .... didn't get any smartere though :D .... an extremly hard decision. ... Landa can very well be izoards strongest guy, and do a strong TT while Quintana got his GC point and a maybe for one of the alps stages .... will probably go flatt pedal on the TT also, and a top 15 there .... a coin flip is what it is :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 17.Jul 15:38, 2017
Did finish second three stages ago. Plus ditching him is equivalent of throwing away a probable100ptsish. Points don't seem to easy to come by either.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 17.Jul 15:26, 2017
Say's he is hoping for a stage win. In an interview on Cycling News. He is a keeper for me, only have him at 100 though. Might think twice if I had him higher.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 16.Jul 21:22, 2017
The 3rd cat in the start is a great break ramp, but the weather forcast sais strong wind from the South, and cross wind all day .... that makes it impossible for a break, and the sprinters will have their hands full only to make it to a sprint .... so I think we can call this stage exiting pre start :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 16.Jul 21:12, 2017
Bookmakers seem to think stage16 is going to be a mass sprint. I'm thinking breakaway. Whatever I decide makes the difference between going sprinter heavy, or GC heavy with my subs. Opinions people?
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 16.Jul 21:01, 2017
Hahaha .... pissed becaus you have him on your team Aragonite :D ( good pick though ) .... agree by the way ... both Mollema, Martin and Barguil qualifide ... No problem that Mollema got it :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 16.Jul 20:49, 2017
At least at the Tour you can come with a decent reason why a specific rider has won the combative award. The Vuelta on the other hand there are times the winner of it makes no sense at all other than the fact he happens to be a Spaniard. There are arguments as to why Mollema won it.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 16.Jul 20:31, 2017
Nothing says you can't get combative multiple times. Barguil initiated the breakaway, attacked on every peak, and was the most aggressive of the four chasers trying to catch Mollema. For me that makes him the most attacking rider today, by far.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Sunday 16.Jul 19:55, 2017
Tony Martin and Mollema were two logic options I think and they went for Mollema.
Why would you guys have it seen it for Barguil? He went for the mountain points. Already holds that jersey and already been combative. So taken that into account, not logic if he was awarded again.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 15.Jul 20:53, 2017
goon, I agree Quintana does look weaker than before. I don't see it either. My only other thought is Movistar is planning on giving each one 1 Grand Tour each? Valverde will get the Vuelta. Landa or Quintana the Giro and the other one the Tour. Then what do you do with the two kids on the team? Fernandez who is not as good as that group and Soler who has the potential to be a Grand Tour Champion. Of course this is expected that Valverde comes back next year and is capable of racing for the Vuelta. Granted we won't know that until next year. He believes he will be. The team very litterally doesn't know what to do without him. Heck Ruben Fernandez was interviewed this week and made the comment Valverde will be back next year then everything will be alright again.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Jul 19:29, 2017
Well, Quintana seems weaker than he was, so he might move down a spot, but see your point ... I just can't see him moving from SKY just to became super domistique in a new team .... and I think we can agree he looks like the next huge GT man ...
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Jul 18:49, 2017
I told you ... he win TdF next year .... Just look at him climbing .... he does it without a grim on his face ... compered with Froome that looks like he is gonna break any time .... think about that vision side by side up a decisive climb in the tour next year :D
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 15.Jul 18:40, 2017
Reports seem to be that Landa is headed to Movistar and has reportedly if not actually signed with them agreed to terms with them. It appears Landa is more interested in finishing ahead of Quintana than helping Froome. If he´s heading to Movistar then he may be thinking if he finishes ahead of Quintana he can get that 2nd spot on the team behind Valverde, once Valverde is back next year. Interesting thought on this. Thing is I´m not sure where he fits in at Movistar. Valverde will be back next year, obvioulsy Quintana is there, then the two young Spaniards who have bright futures in Ruben Fernandez (who seems to be the most likely candidate to lead the team at the Vuelta this year), and Marc Soler (whom Valverde has already said will be the next Spanish Grand Tour champion). So yeah, I'm trying to figure out where Landa fits.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Jul 17:58, 2017
A little bad position for EBH when 100 150 m togo ... behind a Split there ... but the sprint was super strong .... he is in a shape right now, that i haven't seen since Qatar, PR and Eneco last year .... i'd like to see him in the break tomorrow :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 15.Jul 15:05, 2017
Anyone see the footage of Dan Martin hobbling back to the team bus after yesterday's stage? Poor guy can hardly walk after the Porte crash. In interview he said he attacked early yesterday, because he can't ride any other way but seated at the moment. It's also the reason he was dropped on the final peak. Doesn't look great for him in the high Alps.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Jul 13:17, 2017
Sounds reasonable .... he is outracing Quintana atm .... and a bigger favourite in next years TdF as it looks right now ... and maybe too good for even Froome :)))
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 15.Jul 12:48, 2017
Froome wouldn't have gained shit from Landa waiting. That air strip was so steep that they were almost standing still, so it was much more about overcoming gravity than the wind. Froome himself took the stage win on Planche des Belles Filles ahead of Wiggins by a few seconds in 2012.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Jul 10:01, 2017
If i would defend Landas choice ... Peyragudes was a "think fast situation" ... two options ... wait for Froome and drag him up, or follow the attack and try to take bonus seconds from Bardet and Aru ... and concidering how close they were to the finish line, i think the bonus seconds atempt was well as good as trying to reduce Froome lost by two seconds ....
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 15.Jul 09:42, 2017
Yeah .... Astana really wants it to be a conflict within SKY ..... Landa on his way out of SKY and his non waiting in peyragudes. .... typical example of 1 and 1 is 3 ..... Astana seems to look past the fact that Landa wasn't even supose to ride TdF this year, and for SKY to have 2 guys within reach of the win, makes them incredable powerful, and are infact a part of the plan .... and since plan "A" is gone ( Thomas ) it's perfect for SKY to let Landa into the fight ..... when it comes to Froome being afraid of Landa .... weeeeell .... of course, he seems monster strong, but then again, I think it's more that he is unsure about himself atm .... he showed weakness in Peyragudes, and I guess his "wierd" behavior on mur de Péguère yesterday was a sighn of his insecurity .... he wanted to see how strong he was contra the other guys i guess :D calm himself down a little bit if you like ...... after all, he is just a human :)))
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 15.Jul 01:23, 2017
The two mountain stages in the final week aren't sawtooth Vuelta-style, but climbs are hard and high-altitude. If Sky aren't singing the same tune and Landa _might_ have ideas of his own it might be the perfect storm for any of the final six (looking at you, Nairito) to build a fair advantage on the Isoard before the TT. DAWG to take back 01:15-30 on that.
GvA vs Matthews tomorrow?
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 14.Jul 22:51, 2017
But can't be good at everything. Still, good day for the results guys with me and Andy picking up stages in Tour and Aosta respectively.
And hmm the Sky situation. Can't see Froome being beat but glad to see he's having to work for it a bit more than usual. Landa could go rogue and might as well as absolutely no way a Spanish rider is going to win the Tour for Sky. It's either a brit/kenyan or it's no win :)
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 14.Jul 22:47, 2017
Only way Froome loses for me is if Landa goes rogue. If he is moving teams, and the chance of going for the win arises. He may go for it regardless of what Froome or Sky want.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Friday 14.Jul 21:31, 2017
Quiz on the stage winners in the Tour since 2000: https://www.sporcle.com/games/Viktrodriguez/quatorze-juillet-tour-de-france
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 14.Jul 20:54, 2017
Looked like the rider Froome fear the most is his own team mate. Very strange how he raced final 30 km today. Landa could have been in yellow without that. The biggest disappointment today was Bardet and Ag2r, had expected something from them, but it never happened. Not it's only two mountain stages left and Froome is going to be the best of the GC men on the TT so he is still in pole position.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Friday 14.Jul 20:45, 2017
I somehow see Froome is the biggest threat for his own team than Landa in his current role. Froome does some strange things at strange moments. Not in a smart Contador way, but in a dumb way.
It was clear that Kwiatkowski was there to help in the downhill and flat, to make speed for the chase and to get his team leader down safely. But he couldn't, because Froome attacked on a descent not even suitable for attacks against some of the best descenders in the peloton. The Polish guy even got pissed at his own leader by doing all those stuff.
Besides, I won't be surprised if his personality in general is annoying. Froome wants to be the alpha man too much, while he simply isn't one. He already had some arrogancy in the way he rode when he just was the better climbing domestique of Wiggins in 2012.
Landa does what Froome did in that Tour, only taking it a step further.
sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 14.Jul 20:31, 2017
To me Landa can be more a problem than an opportunity for Sky. In my opinion they clearly stopped Kwiatkowsky to help Froome closing the gap just enough to not allow Landa to get the jersey or get too much close to him in GC.
The double threat works if the two riders and the team doesn't care who of the two wins, here in my opinion Froome will not accept to loose and Sky would like much more for him to win.
Aru had to ride smart beacuse he have no team at all, this was the best possible outcome for him in a stage like this.
I don't understand much AG2R and Bardet tatctic, they should try something if they want any chance to win the Tour
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 14.Jul 14:02, 2017
I HOPE for this scenario ..... a strong break go from the start ..... Contador and Nieve/Landa + + attacks in the first climb .... Ag2r will unvoluntary help Aru ( i like that to keep it open as long as posible ) .... and we got groups all over the place chasing eachother .... that sounds like two and a half hours of well spendt in my tv chair :D
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 14.Jul 12:25, 2017
I found yesterdays stage to be Fleche Wallone on steroids, but with a very unexpected twist in the end. Not too entertained and fast-forwarded through much of the first 150 kms. When every stage is shown in full, it dulls my interest a fair bit apart from stages like the one today.
Great to see cracks in Froome's armor, just too bad there is no full-strength Quintana, Contador or Astana with domestiques left to see if he can be completely cracked. Tactical interplay today will be fascinating.
Will Aru conserve his remaining team or go completely gung-ho to stick the boot into Froome?
Will AG2R try to blow the race apart on the two last climbs for Bardet to go solo downhill?
Will Froome make Sky ride at the front even though they aren't in yellow?
How early will Contador attack and blow up?
I've put money on Pinot for today's stage, it's either this one or stage 18.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 13.Jul 21:54, 2017
Mur de Péguère ... sounds like pretty normal 9.3 km 7.9% ... nothing special .... but when it's the last of 3 big climbs on a 100 km stage, and the last 3.5 km got an avarage 12.5%, it must be something to look forward to .... I expect action from first climb tomorrow :)))
sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 13.Jul 19:27, 2017
Today Sky broke Froome by going too fast. Would have been perfect for a top form Froome, this Froome needs a lower rythm. It wasn't possible to attack earlier, Sky domestiques were really impressive today.
1 minute and it's close, but of course Aru needs to be in form in the final week (let's not forget this year he targeted the Giro, not the Tour).
Why Uran is down at 55"? Was penalized?
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 13.Jul 18:09, 2017
If Aru got ooooh let's say 45 seconds on Froome before the TT i think it will be really close .... remeber this TT is not scary long ... only 22.5 km .... after 14 km theres a pretty steep 1.5 km climb that breaks it up pretty good ... a downhill and Aru might not loose much time at all after 14 km .... so this is wide open ... but i'm afraid Froome will break him in the alps anyway .....
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 13.Jul 18:08, 2017
Might of missed his chance. Today could of been Froome's 'bad day'. We will never know because none of his rivals attacked until inside the final k.
sker [Team Paracarri] Thursday 13.Jul 18:01, 2017
Aru needs 1 min and 30 sec at least on Froome before the final TT, so third week mountain stages will be decisive.
My manager for GC is only Aru and froome anyway, next rest day I could take 7 stagehunters/sprinters
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 13.Jul 17:31, 2017
More important; he could have make me win the Giro. Aru on captain looks good, but not easy to control tomorrow, I expect Sky to be the team to try to do that.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 13.Jul 15:32, 2017
Sky just seem to be saving as many riders as possible. They do not have to do any attacking anyway. The longer Froome's rivals do nothing the better it is for Sky.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 13.Jul 15:32, 2017
Feillu on a suicide mission there it seems. Probably way to late. By the time they eventually make the break the strongest guys there already gone.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 13.Jul 15:19, 2017
I see that the distance is growing again. Hopefully they will make it all the way. Cummings didn't go for any climbing points either so I guess he still got lots left and that he will attack early on the next climb.
The bonus seconds is a good point, Andy. I can't see that the finish suits Froome particulary and that he could lose valuable seconds there. Unless he gets a gap though.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 13.Jul 15:11, 2017
Cummings has not a good personal relationship to Brailsford. Anyway, I don't think Sky care about who wins a stage as long as the break takes the top 3.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 13.Jul 15:05, 2017
Also, Sky could and probably should use this stage to take advantage of a broken Astana and a hurt Dan Martin. That could also be the reason of the high pace.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 13.Jul 15:01, 2017
I'm thinking maybe that they don't want to ruin for Cummings. They should have a healthy relationship With his team due to the big amount of ex-SKY riders there.
Of course, this is just wishful thinking from me, but still.
Another thing that's not good With the distance between the break and the peloton is that it can encourage other teams to ride hard for the stage. Ag2r for instance.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 13.Jul 14:46, 2017
Bad News for Cummings and the rest of the break is that I got money on Cummings for 51 and De Gendt for 81 to win the stage. That's the clearest sign of that they won't make it.
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 13.Jul 14:21, 2017
Kittel is going easy now though and has dropped back. Only lost 3 points to Matthew today as he got second behind Matthew at the intermediate.
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Thursday 13.Jul 14:20, 2017
Cyril Gautier (AG2R La Mondiale), Imanol Erviti (Movistar), Koen De Kort (Trek-Segafredo), Stefan Küng (BMC Racing), Diego Ulissi (UAE Team Emirates), Stephen Cummings (Dimension Data), Marcel Kittel (Quick-Step Floors), Jack Bauer (Quick-Step Floors), Nils Politt (Katusha Alpecin), Thomas De Gendt (Lotto Soudal), Michael Matthews (Sunweb) and Julien Simon (Cofidis)
sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 12.Jul 19:00, 2017
If they want to commit really hard to control every stage Kittel have 3 more sprint chance (I'm counting him out for Rodez with the final kick up).
So he technically still could win 8 stages. More likely if he doesn't make mistakes he would win 7.
Very good form from EBH, super disappointing Kristoff
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 12.Jul 18:41, 2017
Again a fantastic leadout from DDD .... I just became a Reinert Jansen van Rensburg fan :D .... and Edvalds sprint was great, but what happend 30 meters togo there .... he stoped pedaling for a second ? Anyway, long time since i saw this kick from Edvald, and the winner was nothing to do with .....
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 12.Jul 18:39, 2017
Well Amador is still staying in the race. However, it is unlikely he's going to be of anymore use to anyone now than he has been. I'm thinking they'd be better off pulling him out of the race at this point and letting him heal.
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 12.Jul 06:13, 2017
It appears that Andrey Amador is abandoning the Tour tomorrow. His tweet implies this without actually stating it and of course the team won't say anything. He crashed on stage 2 and apparently injured his knee among other injuries. From reports his knee has not gotten better and may actually be worse.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 11.Jul 20:19, 2017
The record to be beat is Freddy Maertens in Vuelta 1977, 13 wins on 21 stages. Binda in Giro 1927 is maybe more impressive though, 12 wins on 15 stages.
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 11.Jul 19:38, 2017
I went for Kristoff instead of Degenkolb but amybe was not the right move. I'm also surprised Matthews wasn't in the top 10 today.
Bouhanni and Greipel are just out of form this year, both mentally an phisically.
Anyway it's normal that replacement riders are hot highlighted as my original picks in the results?
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Jul 18:47, 2017
Agree. Very much likely I am going to have one sprinter captain the whole race. Only could happen with this years parcours, and Kittel's dominance.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 11.Jul 18:17, 2017
Ah .. ok ... well, echelons tomorrow ? but that should be an advantage for Kittel since he is on the best echelons team in the world .... but if SKY starts it all, Kittel can't sleep ..... and 3 sprints last week .... he is definitely on a record path here :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Jul 18:02, 2017
Degenkolb had his best finish in this Tour on the last sprint stage, plus he won the bunch sprint into Bergerac in 2014 when Navardauskas came home alone. I do also think he has a good chance on Stage14 into Rodez.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 11.Jul 17:48, 2017
Good job on picking Degenkolb, Aragonite. I must admit that I didn't believe too much in him but he impressed today. Selig too. Wonder whats wrong With Bouhanni this year. He is in the mix but it looks like he runs out of gas with 200 to go. Matthews and Greipel not top 10. Not good concidering the green jersey, but I got my Money on Kittel for green so I would be happy if he won it.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Jul 15:58, 2017
I did wonder if GVA might give the sprints a go now that Porte is out. He did contest them in the 2015 Tour, and had a good few top six finishes. If he were to try in the coming sprints he would be approaching a 'must have'. Didn't have the bottle to take that risk though.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 11.Jul 15:46, 2017
I was very close to picking GvA given Porte is out, but figure guys like Matthews and EBH will do better in regular sprints and might even go into the same breakaways towards the end of the week as GvA. Though slightly boring setup/scenario.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 11.Jul 15:12, 2017
I got the jerseys and kept Roglic since he looks decent and is the closest contender for the polkadot. He has to try something, hopefully this week, and it looks to me that a couple of stages should be breakaway-stages. No Greipel, Kristoff or Bouhanni. Picked Edvald since he could do well on more stages than the mentioned pure sprinters.
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Tuesday 11.Jul 14:12, 2017
I thought in some breakaways since Rolland to Gilbert or Avermaet but decided to play with the two sprints of Greipel, the jersey points and two mountain stages of Yates and the stage win plus a couple of top10 of Aru... :)
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 11.Jul 13:55, 2017
Had a quick look at other team changes. Think most will be happy with 100-150pts per rider. Looks like two sprints, one for GC, one for puncheurs and a couple of breakaways. Agree, disagree?
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 11.Jul 12:15, 2017
The changes now is really hard. Stay safe, or look at breakaway options too? I think there will be some breakaways succeeding now. I think I'll end on something in between.
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 11.Jul 00:00, 2017
I had my sprinters at 80% except Sagan. With as screwed up as my team is now I went ahead and put Kittel as my Captain. Figure I have nothing to loose at this point. I did have Kittel at 80%
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 11.Jul 00:00, 2017
Thats right .... so his abstens should not be a problem as long as Van Rensburg power his way through ..... espcially tomorrows pretty technical finish ... remeber stag 6 when DDD was dominanting big time ... way too early though ... but it show how strong they are in the leadout when it's on its most hectic :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Jul 22:55, 2017
I still think his best chance for a win is from a break ... not unlikely though ... but the DDD leadouts have been the best in the tour so far, so we'll see ....
Koronin [Koronin] Monday 10.Jul 22:52, 2017
Viktor86, you and me both. I also lost my captain (Valverde) and vice captain (Porte) along with both of those sprinters. For GC all I have left is Froome, Bardet and Contador. At least I put Bardet at 100%.
sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 10.Jul 22:29, 2017
Only 4 sure meaningful GC stages left: Peyragoudes, Izoard, Galibier (stage 17) and the final TT.
Maybe the 100 km stage might be interesting, maybe not.
All that remains are even more boring sprints and maybe 2/3 of breakaway days.
Not a fun Tour to watch this year so far.
Anyway do you guys believe EBH can contend more stages or that was an unique situation?
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Monday 10.Jul 22:16, 2017
I'm not gonna win. Lost my captain (Valverde), a vice captain (Porte) and 2 of my 100% sprinters (Sagan en Démare). Only get GC points from Froome (125%) en my 80% guys.
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 10.Jul 22:01, 2017
I think 100 + guys can still win this thing .... alot on top has many sprinters and alot from 50 down got alot of gc .... this is wide open ... haven't looked at Marek's team though :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 10.Jul 21:00, 2017
Think Marek is saying his manager game is over. You know that feeling when everything seems to go against you. And all you want to do is put a particular comp 'to bed', and move on to the next one.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Monday 10.Jul 18:12, 2017
With 8 guys within 2.13 of the leader and two more weeks to go it's a bit weird to say that it's over, isn't it? Normaly Froome will take this, but it doesn't take that much for him to lose a minute on a stage to one of the other contenders. And we still got the Astana-duo up there too.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Monday 10.Jul 11:48, 2017
Sagan, Porte, Valverde, Cavendish out, Majka crashed, Demare and Juraj Sagan out of time limit. Contador and Quintana out of the battle. Froome will keep yellow to the finish line, Kittel green, Yates white.
The Tour has finnished for me. See you guys at Vuelta.
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 9.Jul 21:16, 2017
Here's an interesting thought. Quintana is supposed to be a Grand Tour specialist. He finished 2nd at the Giro and is currently 8th at the Tour and could easily not finish in the top 10. Contador is definitely a Grand Tour specialist. Two years ago he did the Giro/Tour double with winning the Giro and 5th at the Tour. Last year Valverde, who is NOT a Grand Tour specialist did the Giro/Tour double (well actually did the triple) with a 3rd at the Giro, a 6th at the Tour and a 12th at the Vuelta for good measure. If Quintana finishes outside the top 10 which is highly likely how exactly can anyone think he's better than Contador or Valverde in Grand Tours? Oh and Valverde raced the Spanish National Championships TT and RR inbetween the Giro and Tour.
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 9.Jul 19:41, 2017
It wasn't pretty to see but it's racing, Froome should be attacked in any occasion otherwise he would win easily any Tour.
I don't say this only because the rider is italian, and I have nothing against Froome or Sky.
Trentin was suffering from a huge fall in a sprint stage, he probably couldn't recover. Sad losing Demare too
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 9.Jul 19:34, 2017
It wasn't pretty to see but it's racing, Froome should be attacked in any occasion otherwise he would win easily any Tour.
I don't say this only because the rider is italian, and I have nothing against Froome or Sky.
Trentin was suffering from a huge fall in a sprint stage, he probably couldn't recover. Sad losing Demare too
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 9.Jul 19:27, 2017
Majka was in the Thomas crash.
The Chicken says that Aru should have continued his attack and also that nobody should have helped Froomie in catching Bardet, I agree at least in the latter, and somehow in the first also, but more questionable that one.
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 9.Jul 19:14, 2017
I never understood why in a race you have to wait a guy who have a mechanical problem. We can argue about chashes, but even there when they are caused by dangerous conditions and not part of normal racing.
How many riders lost time and race for a mechanical in history?
Waiting someone should be an exception not an unwritten rule
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 9.Jul 19:08, 2017
I'm still working on my changes, but I'm swapping Porte for Aru (should have had Aru from the beginning). Moved Kittle up to be my Captain. Have nothing to loose with that. Added Mathews and Greipel. One spot left which I'm debating about going with either Mijka or Martin.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Jul 18:40, 2017
I need 4 new guys on my team .... first in line is of course Uran, then Matthews and Boasson .... and then theres a fight between Yates and his jersey points, a couple of suitable stages and Dan Martin .... I never play breakaways, which is a shame when the parcours looks like this :D i might loose it becaus of that .... oh well .... :D
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 9.Jul 18:13, 2017
Jesus Herrada did finish today's stage with the sprinters. He's banged up pretty badly and is saying he has a knee injury of some sort. They have not made a decision on rather or not he'll stay in the race yet.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Jul 18:13, 2017
Wow ... only 500 points up with only Kittel and Sagan .... that was a little closer than i thought .... but about what i hoped ..... 109th place and still in it to win it :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 9.Jul 17:47, 2017
Greg Lemond reckons it was ok for Aru to attack at that point. Must of been full on cut throat when he was riding! One thing is certain Aru can't argue that he didn't know that Froome had a mechanical. He was virtually smelling his armpit.
Goes without saying, lets hope Porte isn't too badly hurt.
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 9.Jul 17:42, 2017
Bardet tried. It looks like Aru is the only challenger to Froome now. I'm also confident in my prediction that Quintana does not get a top 5 and has a hard time getting a top 10. If that happens it then may show that not only is Contador a better GT rider (wins Giro and places 5th in Tour) when doing the double, but that Valverde is also a better GT rider with a podium in the Giro then a 6th in the Tour, and then almost pulls off the impossible with a 12th at the Vuelta.
However, I think the excuse Quintana/Movistar uses this year is Valverde crashed out in the TT, not that Quintana raced the Giro. Esp when Movistar made a comment not long after Valverde was admitted to the hospital that their season was officially over.
Congrats to Uran on winning the stage.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 9.Jul 14:10, 2017
What the hell happens there ? Lutsenko crash in a left turn, the bike on the right side of the road ( seems normal ) and Lutsenko himself out in the ditch on the left side of the road :D ... explain that for me :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 8.Jul 20:42, 2017
He was in the form of his life(a superlative often thrown about, but in this case correct imo)prior to this illness. No way he is going to come back from it in similar form.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 8.Jul 19:52, 2017
I think tomorrow will be easyer for him actually ... becaus more riders will catch the bus early .... of course, if he is reasonable healthy that is .... WHAT a stage by the way ... a little too early on stage 9, but this must be concidered as this years queen stage .... I can't wait :)))
sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 8.Jul 19:35, 2017
I'm glad Demare was able to get to the finish in time, he would have been in real trouble if any kind of GC battle started on the final climb. He have to thank the teammates too
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 8.Jul 13:11, 2017
I've not watched a single minute for the two latest stages, looks like I've missed nowt. Now the fun starts, will guys like Matthews or Albasini be able to get into the breakaway and hang in there on the last climb, or will it be an epic ride from someone like Cummings, Bettiol, Calmejane or Wellens?
I expect the GC-guys to keep their powder dry today, just ride a very hard and steady tempo on the climb to shake out whoever hasn't got the legs - no big attacks. And fireworks on that front tomorrow with impending rest day factoring in too.
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 7.Jul 23:11, 2017
I guess tomorrow we find out if Movistar's riders have gotten their heads back in the race now that their team leader is out of the hospital and home in Spain and starting his recovery.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 7.Jul 22:59, 2017
Weening vs Klöden was 2/10000 of a second, so that was actually even closer. ASO says they have a better photo finish then what released, but don't understand why they don't publish that one to get rid of everybody speculating in that Edvald actually was first on the stage.
MartinK [kopvandewedstrijd] Friday 7.Jul 22:08, 2017
Less than 5mm?! Are they sure about that? There is always some sort measurement uncertanty. Normal measurement uncertanty is usually calculated with a 95% confidence interval. I'm not sure about the exact calculations (maybe someone is) but they were quite fast announcing Kittel as winner. I'm norwegian so I'm biased, but if there ever will be a double winner of a stage it's todays stage :)
sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 7.Jul 20:01, 2017
Kittel wheel brakes more red line, I think that the jury might have a photo with a thinner line or no line at all. Of course this is assuming that the photofinish is placed correctly and doesn't have a small margin of error.
If it's too close to call I have nothing against an ex aequo and a double winner.
Sorry for you norwegian friends, EBH deserved it
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 7.Jul 17:35, 2017
Looked at this multiple times, cannot see who is first..
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 6.Jul 23:46, 2017
I'm not reading too much into yesterday's stage as a 150ish km-armchair ride into a 17-minute intervall effort is a markedly different effort than what's coming up on Sunday. My knowledge of climbing physiologics isn't commendable, but I'd guess it's an easy sprint stage compared to Milano - San Remo.
I think (hope) Quintana and Contandor will come much more into their own on Sunday and subsequent big mountain days, but team depth looked worrying, though monoclimb stages probably fit the Skytrain riding to pre-determined wattages best. Porte's hubris of putting his team to work for 100+-kms was a great omen for him trying to put Froome and Sky to the sword for the rest of the Tour, the real shame would be if he got dispirited by the result.
Question for me is whether Aru can keep it together for two more weeks, he's certainly one of few riders who are ready to take his chances and rather lose and had the chance of winning instead of riding steadily to a top 5-finish. Yates and Martin to fade a bit, Quintana and Contador to improve. Uran a slight joker.
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 6.Jul 22:48, 2017
I would take Quintana out of the equation at the moment and not because of the Giro. I think this year's excuse will be they lost Valverde on stage one. The team hasn't fully recovered from that yet. Hopefully they will start recovering with the picture he posted today that he's now walking with crutches and was taking in an interview about his return next season. He also said the plan is he gets to go home tomorrow.
As for the best descenders of the CG riders that are not out with injuries I'd have to give that to Bardet and Contador. As for the worst that would be between Quintana and Majka.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Jul 13:22, 2017
I guess sunday will give some answers to this little discussion. .. :)))
Talking about early form and Sunday .... I guess riding into shape first week is a little late when sunday comes :D The job SHOULD be done by then :D
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 6.Jul 13:10, 2017
Andy .... let's say it like this .... if Aru will strugle with Froome underway in these 3 weeks, I think theres a bigger chance for loosing it on one of the long climbs than in one of the descents. ... :))) the difference is bigger upwards than downhill :)))
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 6.Jul 12:27, 2017
Well, I'm not really sure about Porte, but based on his early form, I think he will strugle at Izoard. Yesterdays stage came really early. Most of the GC's focused on just "not loosing too much". Difficult to say who will be left, but keep eye on those whose form is yet to improve: Froome, Quintana, Contador, Uran, Majka
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 6.Jul 10:16, 2017
Was some 2013 Vuelta over the attack to Aru. Nobody followed Horner back then either, but he was the strongest rider, and that was what I thought about Aru yesterday. And goon; Bardet and Froome (in dry roads) are better than Aru descending, we saw that in Dauphine.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 6.Jul 01:23, 2017
To be honest, I'm much less euphoric about Aru. Remember, this is first week, very first climb at barely 5,9km. Aru was 52s behind. Nobody even followed his attack. Wait until the real mountains, with several climbs ant the GC group attacking one by one. I bet Porte, Aru, Martin will unfortunately be gone then.
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 5.Jul 22:56, 2017
Aragonite, our announcers (Paul and Phil) said that Colberelli has an entire team built around him for the sprints. Up no he doesn't. The team came with some support for him and some for Izagirre. Sorry, but climbers usually aren't much help in sprints.
Aru definitely came to play at the Tour this years.
For Movistar I will be surprised if they salvage anything at all out of this Tour. For the Vuelta they are going to be reduced to stage hunting unless either Fernandez or Soler are actually ready.
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 5.Jul 22:05, 2017
Andy .... I don't think Aru is much wors than Froome descending ... remember the stage to Tournon sur Rhone in Dauphine last year ... he actually attacked in a downhill and won the stage ... I understand the situation was something very different for him, but it showes that he can descend if he needs to .... and when his master is Vincenzo Nibali, i bet he picked up a little something :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 5.Jul 21:52, 2017
Was very happy watching Eurosport's coverage of the Giro. Very professional production. So why the f**k have they brought back Carlton Kirby for Le Tour? I managed to watch a stage and a half before his inane, incorrect bull sh*t got to much for me. So now I'm watching ITV4's coverage, and Eurosports highlights(to get some opinion from Brian Smith, and Sean Kelly, who I rate).
Have just finished watching yesterdays Eurosport highlights and I thought I better pass on some info from Kirby, 'Colbrelli will not get much assistance in the sprints, because the team are dedicated to looking after the GC hopes of Ion Izagirre'. You have been warned.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 5.Jul 21:40, 2017
Good to see Aru as strong as I predicted before the Tour, he is still the one I think wins the Tour. He is not the best descender among the climbers though, so he can pay for that on Sunday if he doesn't get a gap on Mont du Chat to Froome.
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 5.Jul 21:06, 2017
In Movistar's case it may be an attempt to get their rider's brains back into the race. That team is in the middle of falling apart right now with their leader in the hospital.
Impressive ride by Aru today.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Wednesday 5.Jul 18:33, 2017
Aru very strong.
Dan Martin always had the problem of giving these performances in multiple stages in stead of just once in a few stages and how will he do in a stage with multiple big climbs.
sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 5.Jul 17:48, 2017
This Aru is a real threat for GC! Glad to have him at 125%, it was my big gamble. Don't know if he can really target the jellow jersey but is my bet for a podium spot.
Impressed also by Dan Martin here, always thought of him more as a stage hunter/ small stage race leader
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Wednesday 5.Jul 13:12, 2017
A) Movistar and BMC keep a blistering pace last 50 ks to the climb, GC-guy takes it
B) Said teams too afraid of Froomie repeat win including bonus seconds so early that breakaway takes it - save energy for the weekend
Hoping for B, I find these single-climb stages early in GTs often a bit clinical with not much way of action until last 10 ks before the climb. At least with B) there is a separate race going on
LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 5.Jul 10:40, 2017
Can't remember which race it was but Bling vs Bouhanni incident last(?) year was quite a similar, just without the huge crash and result was that Nacer got relegated on that stage. They should've done the same here.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 5.Jul 10:15, 2017
Bouhanni has never been DQ'd for it if I remember correctly, only declassified on the stage. I can agree that Sagan could be that yesterday, but no way DQ.
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 5.Jul 09:48, 2017
For me, what looked like HELL at first, Sagan elbowing Cav in the sprint ( which would be a legitime reason to kick him out ), is obviusly wrong ... it's pretty clear that Cav touch him, and caused the elbow move for sagan to maintain balance .....
I agree Sagan is a little too aggressive in his drifting over to Démares wheel, and I can agree this is the bullet part of what caused the crash, and I can agree that is ESPECIALLY dangerous in full sprint and DESERVES a punishment... ( a stage disqualification )
but the fight for wheels in a sprint is a part of the game, both in the position fight and in the actual sprint ... this is the nature of a sprint an the reason i love a good sprint in bike races ....
The jury should see it in the same way, and take Sagan BACK IN THE RACE !!
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 4.Jul 23:29, 2017
Here is the "first crash": https://u.nya.is/jdkpym.mp4
..and ironically a FDJ rider does to Sagan exactly what Sagan did to Cavendish. The only difference is that Sagan has much better balance.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Tuesday 4.Jul 23:24, 2017
The change of the pointsystem makes it interesting to see if Sagan would still win it despite Matthews and Demare gathering also a lot of points, so that would be a fun battle to the last day if .......
BartVelo [BartVelo] Tuesday 4.Jul 23:14, 2017
I agree EPO.
Demare made Bouhanni almost crash if Bouhanni hadn't slowed down pace.
There's a case to be made to punish Demare aswell.
And what about the clash on second 3 in that clip EPO, that's also not clean racing.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 4.Jul 23:12, 2017
look how close bouhanni is to crashing because of demare
making the sagan decision look so much more ridiculous
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 4.Jul 23:00, 2017
Another thing to take into consideration is that this wasn't a huge mass sprint. Most of the field had been held up in another crash about 1.5k earlier. There was only six or seven riders involved in the sprint.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 4.Jul 22:57, 2017
Sagans comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlslckIexno&feature=youtu.be
Cavendish comment: http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/sbs/?title=Mark+Cavendish+speaks+after+contentious+crash,+Stage+4&dashboard=tour-de-france&id=983092803518&yr=2017
And some other analysis:
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 4.Jul 22:48, 2017
Greipel did go towards the fence pretty violently. Initially I thought he came into contact with Sagan, and then pushed him towards the barrier, taking Cavs ground. But on subsequent viewings and different camera angles it became apparent that that wasn't the case. Greipel had no effect on Sagan. It was purely Sagan jumping onto Demares wheel which caused the crash.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 4.Jul 22:34, 2017
I think there actually was a couple of dangerous manouvers from other riders that eventually made Sagan/Cav end up where they did. It was very messy and to only punish the one involved in the crash seems to be the easiest solution. I guess it would be awkward to do anything with, lets say, Demare.
I'm speaking only out of what I remember, and getting rather old-ish, I don't trust it (the memory) like I used to, but I remember I saw things I didn't like.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 4.Jul 22:18, 2017
I had the race taped, and watched it a good dozen times, but have deleted it. Sagan did jump onto the wheel of Demare without thinking of who was behind. Which left Cav with nowhere to go, but into the fence. A DQ for today, but not the whole race was the correct decision imo.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 4.Jul 22:17, 2017
?The jury decided to disqualify Peter Sagan because of the very serious manoeuvre in the sprint. I didn?t know anything about the first crash [at 1.5km out], it?s only about this crash,? Marien continued.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 4.Jul 22:08, 2017
The reason for the DQ happens before both of those clips EPO. Think you are preaching to the converted. Most if not all the views on here today think the decision is way too harsh.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 4.Jul 21:25, 2017
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 4.Jul 21:19, 2017
Look at how much Demare drifts...
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 4.Jul 20:55, 2017
The jury just overreacted as they probably tried to demonstrate that rules are being followed and nobody can hide behind a jersey. The explanation does not make sense. "putting others at risk"? The biggest risk Cav caused himself by trying to squeeze himself between the barriers and Sagan. I agree that he should be penalised, but this decision will just create lot of reactions and conspiracy theories.
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 4.Jul 20:45, 2017
It doesn't look intentional, the elbow is not an issue cause it was trying to balance himself.
The problem is that he closed the space for Cav a little too much, even thought Cav does a very dangerous move (90% of the time he would go down trying to pass there).
By rule is correct to penalize him for the stage, but come on race expulsion is ridiculous
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 4.Jul 20:43, 2017
After the TT I already had very litter interest in watching anymore of the Tour. Now I'm trying to come up with any reason at all to watch anymore of the Tour.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 4.Jul 20:07, 2017
Having watch it repeatedly. The Greipel move has nothing to do with what Sagan does. Sagan moves very aggressively towards the barrier to jump on Demare's wheel with no regard for who is behind. This leaves Cav with nowhere to go, so he leans into Sagan with his head, that is when the Sagan reflex elbow move happens. A misdemenour which warrants a DQ for todays stage, but never from the whole race.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 4.Jul 19:52, 2017
The elbow comes out to help maintain balance
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Jul 19:43, 2017
Yeah .... harsh .... at first, in the actual full speed live sprint, i though ... Sagan out of this race ... it looked really bad in full speed .... but after the slow photage, i was not so sure anymore .... from the helicopter, it was no doubt ... Sagan is a pig, but from the front, it looked like maybe he just tryed to stay on his bike .... I got a feeling this isn't quit over yet ....
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 4.Jul 19:24, 2017
I read somewhere that he got punished for putting other riders at risk. Which makes sense. But I saw a couple of other situations in the same sprint that also put other riders at risk.
That being said, the DQ is too harsh imo. The first punishment felt sufficient.
I wouldn't be surprised if the pressure from other teams were high on the judges to DQ Sagan.
There were an incident with Greipel yesterday and I wouldn't be surprised if Lotto had a saying in this too.
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Tuesday 4.Jul 19:20, 2017
The elbow isn't the DQ reason. Sagan is being DQ'ed because he acted irrationally when he swerved to take Demare's wheel. There was space and DEmare took it, while Cavendish was always on his wheel. When Sagan saw Demare he swerved over with no regard for any rider following Demare. There just wasn't any space for Sagan to fit inbetween Demare and Cav.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Jul 19:13, 2017
I am not sure i agree 100 % with that .... becaus this might not be intentionally ... I mean, the elbow is bad, but it CAN look like it's a reflex from cavs touching .... if thats the case, think a disqualification from the stage is punishment enough
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 4.Jul 17:53, 2017
Also added, 'I'm not a doctor but it doesn't look or feel good. The shoulder is set back, think it might be the artificial ligament they put in after the Harrogate crash, when the Tour was in the UK'.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 4.Jul 17:33, 2017
Difficult to say what the jury should do today, looks like everybody moves to the right and Cav tries to find a gap on the barriers which isn't there, and Sagan just followed those in front of him.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Jul 15:21, 2017
Oh, i think he still got green on his mind .... and that is fully possible with all this easy sprint stages ... 50 points each will hold a long way ... on paper, Kittel must be favourite for green jersey in Paris . . But that is on paper only :D Sagan is Sagan .... No paper there :D
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 4.Jul 14:20, 2017
Yes it was smart, as i wrote: he is obviously after stage wins, not the jersey. I also notice a hint of impatience in Porte. Sky expect him to explode at tomorows stage as he may need to use his early form. That may change the game (which I hope :), but also may hurt a lot in the last week.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 4.Jul 10:52, 2017
Marek .... I Think what Kittel did yesterday was very smart .... No chance of winning the the stage, and Yellow jersey is not realistic in play for him anymore ... and with 5 chances for stage wins and green the next 8 stages, this was the only right thing todo .... he weigh 86 kg, so of course, he is chanceless in any climby finish over 2 3% ....
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 4.Jul 04:04, 2017
There is finally an update on Izagirre's condition. He had surgery today on his fractured lumbar. Report is the surgery was successful.
Also Valverde posted a short video today showing he's started rehab on his knew.
Get well soon Alejandro and Ion.
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 4.Jul 00:39, 2017
Andy, you're probably right. I had had high hopes that Valverde would finally get his worlds gold this year, but at this point I agree that it's most likely Sagan's.
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 3.Jul 16:58, 2017
An even longer shot .... De Gent ... and if the break don't make it, i hope for a successful attack from Wellens since he's on my tourmanager team .... and Lammertink and Edvald top 5 :))) pretty narrow though :))) this was my hart speaking ... my head sais Sagan Matthews Van Avermaet Gilbert and, well Edvald sounds about right :))) with that being said, I won't rule out Colbrelli Degenkolb either .... depending of how hard the climb will be done ..... ?
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 3.Jul 16:27, 2017
Take a long shot on winner today and say Ulissi. Surprised he isn't mentioned that much today, should suit him well, and he usually always wins a stage in each GT he take part in.
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 2.Jul 19:30, 2017
Amador and Sütterlin both crashed today at different points. Several of the riders have said they hope nothing is expected of them as their heads aren't into the race. Not really surprising they are crashing.
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 2.Jul 18:16, 2017
I don't know if it's the same for you guys but tv coverage is awful this year to me.
Bad graphics, bad time reports and also bad camera direction!
No helicopter shot for the final km while there was a helicopter flying, camera on the back of the peloton in the deciding moment for the breakaway.
I was barely able to understand what was going on in the final km
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 2.Jul 17:25, 2017
-Kiriyenka, in the green jersey, sprints to a respectable 21. He will be a contender for the green to keep in the future :)
-Kristoff sprints all the way to the finishline, for 15, while Trentin celebrates the last 100 meters to a 16. position.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 2.Jul 17:18, 2017
Kristoff with bloodstains on his shirt. The reporter asks if it's his blood. "Don't know" is his short response. Think it's time for the teams to bring out the medic.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 2.Jul 16:05, 2017
Kristoff actually ... this becous these are the three best leadout teams ...
And yes, there will be a crash .... a small non broken bones one ... you know becaus of the slippy road ...
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 2.Jul 15:59, 2017
Are Norwegians known to be realistic? For me it is between Kittel and Greipel today with Cav as dark horse while Thomas will have no problem to defend the jersey tomorrow if Sky wants to have the jersey.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 2.Jul 01:53, 2017
So, I lost my team leader. I was gambling on the stage points with Valverde and his sprinting/puncheur/downhill skills. 0 points and no GC points for 150%. Ouch.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 2.Jul 00:03, 2017
"All our riders started and went quite well with solid performance; however, our leader Ion Izagirre who started as the last of our team, crashed badly in the corner close to the point where Alejandro Valverde (Movistar) had crashed as well. It was a very hard hit into the fence. Izagirre was then immediately transported to the hospital by an ambulance in company with the team doctor Luca Pollastri. The first diagnosis said that Ion Izagirre has an unstable lumbar fracture and he needs a surgical treatment. We will come with further information in the next days."
Bahrain statement. Doesn't look very good this one either.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Jul 23:52, 2017
I guess if there is any good news for Alejandro it is that he does not have any injuries to his muscles, tendons or ligimates. Also my translation of Spanish into English I am not sure if his ankle is actually broken or if it's just fractured.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Jul 23:20, 2017
He'd be hurt, but not nearly as badly as he is if there was padding and definitely not a broken ankle.
I believe if he can come back he'll be back next year, but no idea when he will even know.
No word on Izagirre. Only thing I've heard was what Phinney said after the race that he saw Izagirre on the ground and not moving. Sounds like a concussion to me.
Very very sad for both.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 1.Jul 23:07, 2017
We have to wait a long time to see if he can come back, personally I think he will be back in 2018, but on what level is of course a question. A shame about his injury, but he came into the corner too fast so partly his own fault, although the fence was not good enough padded by ASO. No news about Izagirre injury, so hopefully not that serious.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Jul 23:02, 2017
Movistar has posted Valverde's injuries. Broken Kneecap which he will have surgery on tongith, broken ankle, and wounded tibia. Unfortunately it appears his season is over. :( Hopefully he can recover and this is not career ending.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Saturday 1.Jul 20:15, 2017
Yes, pity for Roglic, had him in my squad to collect points at todays stage :(
Sky wont work anything. The loyalty level in Sky is at ridiculous level. Everybody works for Froome. The breaks will be eventually chasen by teams with ambitions of stage win like Quickstep Katusha and Lotto-Soudal.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Saturday 1.Jul 19:41, 2017
After the first TT, among the GC's there is Froome, then Yates at '25, and then the next 6 riders by 4 seconds (Nairo '36 Majka '37 Martin '37 Pinot '38 Bardet '39 Aru '40). This means Froome can take it easy the first two weeks, while the rest of the GC contenders will fight for podium from the first hill.
sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 1.Jul 19:27, 2017
Izagirre out is even bigger than Valverde as he was actually a team GC contender. Bad start of this Tour, nobody wants DNF in the first stage in general and when thay are big names is even worse
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 1.Jul 19:06, 2017
Could of been Quintana who crashed out just as easily. Think the course got worse as the day wore on. Froome's time was superb. Nothing changes, Sky in control of the Tour, four riders in the top ten.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 1.Jul 17:17, 2017
I think Quintana will finish higher in the GC than Valverde. Only reason for the swap. I am in a position where if Valverde, or any other rider looks to be on a really hot streak, I can bring them in after the rest day on 150%. Which is a satisfying thought.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Jul 17:06, 2017
Quintana doesn't have a clue how to use his teammates nor does he have any tactical sense or ability to read a race. Valverde is one of the best tacticians in the peloton but will not typically help Quintana out with that.
With only 3 mountain top finishes I also kicked Quintana out of my team. He very well could finish on the podium, but I'll take Valverde's consistency and should have a top 10 if not top 5 overall finish for a shot at better points.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 1.Jul 16:17, 2017
I kicked out Valverde last night and replaced him with Quintana. Valverde will go in after the first rest day. Our teams are not to dissimilar EPO. You have Valverde and Matthews for my Quintana and Contador.We also have the same three on 150 and 125, only you captained Sagan, and I have gone for Kittel. On the whole we have gone for more sprinters than most. Lets hope we have gone the right way.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 1.Jul 15:28, 2017
6 sprinters and 3 GC riders for me. I kicked out Nairo last night. Lack of MTFs and tons of Kittel stages. Nairo finished 3rd last year, and still he didn't score that many points. I'll be high on the lists before the GC points are factored in, and hopefully afterwards too.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Saturday 1.Jul 12:15, 2017
Movistar will not destroy anything. Despite it is one of the strongest teams on paper, they are also the one of the weakest in strategical
thinking. Quintana is not used to ride as a team. If he doesn't have that dynamite-legs distancing the rest of GC, the whole Movistar potential is wasted.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Jul 04:54, 2017
It appears Movistar has figured out how to have two top riders co-habitate well enough to make it work. I am sure there are several factors for this including the personalities of the two riders and the fact they almost never race together.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 1.Jul 01:52, 2017
not much love for the dog in arabland either. or texas now
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 1.Jul 01:34, 2017
Not a shadow of doubt in my mind that they will if they were to find themselves in the position, Koronin. Quintana and Valverde seem to be co-habiting amicably and Unzue is an old fox if there ever was one.
They went for that play in last year's Giro, and I reckon everyone and especially the Latin crew are sick of Froomedawg's persisting victories and will try everything to unseat him this year.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 1.Jul 01:27, 2017
Here's an interesting question. Does Movistar allow Amador and Valverde to try to destroy the GC peloton on one of the descent finishes. They both much better descenders than Quintana and better descenders than much of the rest of the GC riders. Or does Movistar make them ride by Quintana.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 1.Jul 01:17, 2017
Podium bets are too risky for me in general, especially at that price. H2H is evenly spread (more or less) as far as accidents and DNFs, whilst podium bets are far more lobsided
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 1.Jul 00:50, 2017
Granted I'm looking at this through rose-tinted glasses - by I think the parcours this year could make for a more interesting contest than especially last year but also 2015.
Few ITT-kilometres, only a couple of traditional mountain finishes for the Skytrain to numb the opposition on, outnumbered by stages with downhill finishes instead. Granted guys like Thomas and Kwiato will be handy chasing down dudes like Bert, Martin, Aru and Bardet on those, but I still this gives the dudes looking to topple Froome more tactical flexibility,
My hope is we'll see Astana, Movistar and Orica showcase the aggressive team tactics they sometimes pull off brilliantly with Bertie, Porte and Martin riding on the coattails and contributing.
Biggest deviation from previous years is that Froome won't obliterate the opposition on the first mountaintop finish but instead keep his powder dry to to aforementioned factors. I have a sneaking feeling that Wellens, De Gendt, Gallopin, Rolland, Ullissi, Pauwels or Cummings take the yellow jersey on stage five.
Podium prediction? Let's go a bit off-key and say Porte,Quitana and Aru.
I've put money on Valverde h2h against Fuglsang when they were even odds, Aragonite - changed to 1,72 for Valverde versus 2,00 on Jakob now :D
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 1.Jul 00:41, 2017
Yeah ... well, maybe ... but i'm not so sure there will be all these breakaway wins ... simply becaus of the "easy" parcours, lack of mtf and TT km, and the segnificance bonus second might have ... we'll see :)))
BartVelo [BartVelo] Saturday 1.Jul 00:25, 2017
It all depends on the willingness of a team to control the race to have a shot at the stage win. If they give a breakaway enough minutes and there's a strong climber amongst them, then yes a breakaway can be successful.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 1.Jul 00:20, 2017
Check 20th stage of 2015, goon. Or stage 15 of 2016 Vuelta, stage 18 of this year's Giro or stage 20 or last year.
Not a lot of stages to compare with, but trend seems to be that the strongest breakaway rider is able to stay away from podium GC-guys on short, bonkers stages.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 30.Jun 23:25, 2017
I'm basing all my team selections (seven or eight different teams I think) on the basis that the breakaway will run away with on stages:
5, 8, 9, 12, 13, 15, 16 and 17
Saving the FC-team for last :)
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 30.Jun 15:36, 2017
I really can't make room for an low pick for this game .... so I will go for what i belive will be high pick, and mix them up with some ranking i think will be a little different from the majority :))) I got a couple of questionmarks weither to go for 2 or 3 sprinters ... alot of sprint stages of course, but also 3 gc plus TT first week .... so that takes the sprint guys down a bit .... I mean, gc guys will be pretty high on the result list in the sprint stages first week ..... you know, to stay ahead of evnt splits and crashes and so on ..... in other words, the 9th spot is still open :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 30.Jun 15:16, 2017
I don't think they will either Jspear. But at those prices I thought they were worth a dabble. Gambling often isn't about picking who you think will do something, but about who you think is value at the price on offer.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 30.Jun 14:59, 2017
Well, it's narrow .... that i can tell you :D let's see
Sergio Henao .... well, i bet you catch my drift :D this was just the guys that popen up in my head in 90 seconds :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 30.Jun 14:07, 2017
Anyone else had a bet on Le Tour? Three for me 10/3 Bertie Contador to finish on the podium. 8/1 M Frank to finish top ten. 14/1 G Bennett to finish top ten. The last two I placed last week, and I can't of been the only one to think Bennett was a tempting bet, as his price has been slashed to 6/1.
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 29.Jun 03:46, 2017
Only a couple more days before the circus that is the Tour starts. The questions will be answered out on the road as to what different teams' game plans actually are.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 28.Jun 16:58, 2017
Smart from him to tell that, just make the expectations to him even lower. He is the only one who knows about his shape, and don't think he would have started the Tour without believing in stage win(s).
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 28.Jun 15:41, 2017
Last from cavs participation in the tour ..... he sais he is far from his level, but will still participate to honnor the tour, and he owes it to his team .... whaaaaat ? Well, if he comes with a form now, he is more cynical than i thought :D
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 28.Jun 03:01, 2017
True we don't get to see many of those guys very often when they are descending. However with all the descent finishes I do think Movistar has an interesting problem.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 28.Jun 01:54, 2017
It's not just the sprint stages being utterly boring. Mountain stages are boring as well with the control freaks of the GC contenders, the last years being mainly Sky. It would a consolation if they did it for stage victory, but they don't. The GC guys standard fight after the breakaway.
Best descenders is hard to decide. We only know of the climbers, the breakaway and a handful others, so we can't really compare. But we have to bear in mind that sprinters and other non climbers need to take more risks in downhill to stay in the race, as it's the only plavce in a mountain stage to win time on the GC contenders. With the little amount of accidents there, I believe some of the best descenders must be non climbers, not the climbers.
Just look at some of the corner technique of a bunch of the sprinters and time trial specialists on the flat. How someone like Roglic took that corner in the final TT in Switzerland, unbelievable. No surprise people like Sagan and T. Martin are considered the best downhill specialists in the field.
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 27.Jun 22:43, 2017
This year's Tour GC is going to be fought on the descents which will be interesting as I think Amador might be the best descender. Does Movistar let Amador and Valverde have the freedom to push the peloton on those descents?
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 27.Jun 22:31, 2017
Sprint stages can be fun but only if are not so many and the breakaway have a chance to win (see the giro). Here with entire teams dedicated to sprinters and a lot of flattish terrain we are up for a lot of boring days.
And we miss completely those fun middle mountain/classic riders days apart for stage 3.
The GC fight will be really interesting but we miss a huge part of what makes a GT fun to watch
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 27.Jun 21:39, 2017
And the wierd thing is that this " boring" parcours is becaus Sagan always wins green and Froome always wins Yellow ..... next year we're back to 6 mtf and 8 guys teams :D
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 27.Jun 21:25, 2017
7 almost sure sprint stages, at least another 2 possible (stage 19 at least I consider it a breakaway day). Only stage 3 for classic riders. Can this be the year Sagan loses the green yersey?
Anyway we are up for some boring stages
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 27.Jun 19:34, 2017
He is truly a legend ... world champ ... monument and a winning Machine in GTs for many many years ... and one smart son of a bitch as well ..... thats why he is beliveable of something like this .... and when the sprint hierarchy is a little diffuse atm, this is the time to do it .... and DD REALLY REALLY need a great TdF now at rhe buttom of the list, and Cav can save the team :)))
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 27.Jun 17:39, 2017
He has fooled me then. Wouldn't mind in the least though. The guy is a true legend, and now rides for my favourite team. He has thirty Tour stage wins. What is the next highest of any rider currently riding?
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 27.Jun 17:30, 2017
He is playing it :D ... nah, i don't know .... but it wouldn't surprise me much i gotta say ... the Merckx record is a HUGE deal for him i can imagine, and it wouldn't be all that wierd if he had this race on his mind since last year, and the whole mononucleosis thing is all a part of a master plan :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 27.Jun 17:16, 2017
I watched the UK RR champs last night. Cav was dropped on the first hill after about 25k with riders like Blythe, Dowsett, Shaw, and other non mountain goats from lower teams, sailing up it. In interview he said in a normal year he would have had a specific eight month prep. for Le Tour. This year he has had five weeks. He is nowhere near his normal Tour form.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 27.Jun 16:54, 2017
I will be playing the Roadcc game, as well as this one. Cav certainly will not feature in either until he manages a podium finish. I think he will not feature in any of the first three/four sprint finishes, and go home after the first rest day. Do hope I am wrong though, and he rides himself into form and wins on the Champs-Elysees.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Monday 26.Jun 22:29, 2017
Cannondale Pro heeft 9 nieuwe foto's toegevoegd.
28 minuten ·
Alberto Bettiol. Paddy Bevin. Nate Brown. Simon Clarke. Andrew Talansky. Taylor Phinney. Pierre Rolland. Rigoberto Uran. Dylan Van Baarle. “When I look at this team, I see enthusiasm. I see potential. I see real, quality engines there. And I see a group of people who are really prepared to support one another. I see energy. It’s all the things we say we are." Sport Director Charly Wegelius said of the balanced roster. La Grande Boucle begins this Saturday in Dusseldorf.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 26.Jun 20:26, 2017
Thinking about it, that was also the case last year. And look what happened. Three stage wins in the first six stages. Every time you think his career is in decline............
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 26.Jun 20:21, 2017
Successful comeback in Slovenia? Pretty certain it wasn't successful enough for many managers to consider taking the chance of including him in their first team drafts.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 26.Jun 15:55, 2017
It was expected after his successful comeback in Slovenie. And Dimension of course would never let him be out of the team when he still is the team's biggest chance for a stage win.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 26.Jun 15:10, 2017
Cav definitely been selected for the Tour. Have to say I'm a little surprised. Let's hope4 he can ride himself into some sort of form and get a bit closer to Merckx's stage win record.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 26.Jun 14:46, 2017
There it is 5 team left to announce their teams, or really 7, but Astana two riders left to announce and that is Fuglsang and Aru, while Cannondale has one rider left and that is Uran. Expect them to be in latest tomorrow, that's the good thing about TdF, teams are known many days before the race starts :)
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 24.Jun 17:32, 2017
I agree also not a fan of Cannondale announcing their team one by one. A bit odd. Movistar has said they will announce their team after the National Championships.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 24.Jun 16:20, 2017
They are announcing their team one-by-one, not a big fan of that, but guess we just have to live with that. So impossible to get all announcements on the site when they are announced on twitter ;)
BartVelo [BartVelo] Saturday 24.Jun 13:39, 2017
Cannondale: saw a source saying Van Baarle, Bevin, Phinney, Bettiol and Clare riding and 4 spots to be determined. I added Van Baarle and Bevin on the startlist. Uran, Rolland and Talansky are not conformed on that source yet. And need a 9th pick :) Probably depending on the championships.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 23.Jun 21:58, 2017
Let's say cavs not quit strong enough to participate ( he could follow the peloton on a pretty climby sprint stage though ... but no power in two sprints that i saw ) ....... When it comes to winning stages for DD, Cummings and Edvald is not that different .... both got their best chances in a breakaway ..... I weigh them pretty equal actually ... Cummings is expert in catching the right break, and Edvald could win a sprint against the classics ( he was very fast in the norwegian races ..... not that i compeare :D .... but it shows speed ) in addition to a break win ....
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Friday 23.Jun 21:12, 2017
There are a three or four stages that suit him very well. But that also means the stages also suit Sagan, Colbrelli, GVA, and Gilbert. All four look that level above EBH this year imo.
boris03 [Cycling lions] Friday 23.Jun 07:51, 2017
Kwiatkowski is in great form but if we are talking about Polish national championship then we must admir that Bodnar is completely out of form. But I agree Kwiatkowski and Henao will be key riders for Froome.
On the other side Roche is looking pretty strong too... He was only 15 seconds behind Mullen on long ITT nationals... Maybe another good and experienced domestique for Porte
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 22.Jun 23:18, 2017
The key rider for Froome will be Kwiatkowski. He is in the form of his life right now, as he recently beat TT specialists Bialoblocki and Bodnar in Polish national championship. He is also one of the the most clever riders in the team. Lack of potentially smart riders and strategical thinking is the main problem for many teams which are strong on paper, as for instance Movistar.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 22.Jun 20:06, 2017
It makes sense also ... Knees is the road Captain as far as I know ... what a monster team this is .... wow ... Froome won't miss power at any point of this race ...
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 22.Jun 19:58, 2017
I think Froome gets pretty much who he wants. For him not to select Poels, particularly after his performance two years ago, suggests he must be way, way out of form. They always take a couple of riders to do the hard miles on flat stages, so two from Rowe, Knees, and Stannard was always going to happen.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 22.Jun 15:26, 2017
BMC doesn't look very strong for the mountains as expected. They should have used more of their big budget on climber domestiques. Caruso is of course good, but can't see many others who will help Porte when he need the help.
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 22.Jun 03:26, 2017
Heck with the way this season is going and the way the route is for the Tour this year, I'm tempted to say heck with it and put Valverde as my captain. I mean the course is perfect for him and if he was 5 to 10 years younger he'd be the odds on favorite for it. It also appears that at 27 Quintana has started to have degradation of his skills while it is not as evident in Valverde who is 10 years older. (Although definitely a factor of Quintana being a Grand Tour "specialist" while Valverde is truly more of a classics specialist).
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 21.Jun 21:52, 2017
Top 3 favourites for me is easy ... Froome Porte Quintana .... but after this, let's call it a change of pace season, non of them looks like a sure bet .... Porte looking like the man to beat for a long time, but he never succeed in the tour before, so why now ? Quintana under par in Giro, what makes him a winner from that exhausting effort into this one ? and a weaker pre tour Froome than normal .... with that being said, it's all explainable in a reasonable way, and put all at the top of the list one way or the other .... behindet we got a whole bunch of interesting guys that i can't wait to try to predict ... I hope I can find a low picked guy that won't crash out of the gc first week this time :)))
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 21.Jun 20:58, 2017
Not a single manager picked Dumoulin as a captain in Giro. Nobody picked Fuglsang as a captain in Dauphiné, (if anybody choose him at all).
Now I´m tempted to put an outsider as a captain for Tour.
Bora-Hansgrohe looks strong. Majka is in better shape than in last year's Giro, with Buchmann, Poljanski.. and an advantage of less TT-km than usual. "Sagan" jersey for Sagan, and top 5 for Majka would be fine.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 21.Jun 15:54, 2017
First line-ups coming in today, and Juraj Sagan is ready for his first ever GT in his 8th pro season, not very surprising, he has his best season ever and did good job in Suisse for his brother.
Curious too see who Sky choose, many questions marks there after June, actually nobody who impressed me, I expect Poels to be in the team actually since there is still a long way to the third week, where is when he need to be on top.
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 9.Jun 03:40, 2017
For the Vuelta Valverde should always be in the conversation. He does afterall have 6 podiums there (including his one victory) and if he manages to get one more podium he ties a record for most ever podiums at the Vuelta in history. Plus Contador said he has never seen a race and rider so perfectly matched as the Vuelta and Valverde are to each other. Valverde will start this year's Vuelta with the goal of chasing history (along with trying to get a second overall title).
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 8.Jun 15:52, 2017
We've talked us stupid on Froome Quintana and Nibali as the big GT guys .... If Porte wins tdf and Valverde wins Vuelta, we need to stop talking about those guys :D then we need to mention 3 other guys in that matter ... Valverd, Porte and Dumoulin :)))
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 5.Jun 19:39, 2017
The question is if he really will start that race, many riders who is put on races they never manage to start because of too optimistic view on the injury/disease. I hope of course he comes to the Tour in good condition, but have my doubts.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 3.Jun 19:05, 2017
goon, you're correct. It's around 2000m and it's time, although even hitting hitting just over can cause him to have to slightly back off as it did on one stage of the 2015 Tour, but he was able to catch the group on the descent and was fine from then on. If it's a whole stage he'll end up with altitude sickness as what happened in last year's Giro.
As for TTs, He got better with them during his ban and he's worked on being more consistent with them. For him if it's long flat TTs he'll struggle due to being a lighter rider. As long as the TT is rolling and/or technical he'll be ok. He proved that at la Vuelta 2015 when the TT in the last week he was within a minute of Dumoulin.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 3.Jun 11:16, 2017
More worried by the TTs actually ..... i'm not quit sure where he's at in a serious fight with Porte and Froome .... but hey, this guy can do it all, so he'll bee good there as well :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 3.Jun 11:11, 2017
Well, by the look of Valverde this season, and this parcours, this is his best chance to win tdf .....Andy talks about altitude here, and yes sure, he struggles in the altitude ..... but as i know him, its over time and only 2000 m + .... it's not like when he reach 2000 m and BAM ... he breaks ..... he needs to stay up there for a while ..... I agree he probably won't be able to answer attacks in that hight, but i'm sure he can defend himself pretty good, and take back lost on sprints on easyer mountain stages ....
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 3.Jun 04:55, 2017
I hope Contador can pull it off as well. Otherwise not sure who else can actually challenge.
Valverde is supposed to be working for Quintana and he is claiming his next big goal is the Vuelta which he claimed you can't win if you go for the Tour this year. Chaves is recovering from an injury and I'm not sure S Yates is at the same level. Aru and I Izzagirre aren't at that level and not sure about Porte. Quintana just finished the Giro. Bardet lot his best domestique to injury.
With all of that said, this route is actually a perfect route for Valverde as there is not a lot of altitude compared to most Tours and more climbs that are shorter, steep with variant gradient that the punchuers are better suited to. I do think Movistar should have Valverde as a plan B and a protected rider this year due to the combination of Quintana coming off the Giro and route favoring Valverde over Quintana. But we will see what they choose to do as well.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 2.Jun 15:11, 2017
Given Froome has his normal shape in July I don't see any competitors for him, since Galibier and Izoard is too difficult for Valverde because of the altitude.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 2.Jun 12:14, 2017
Cherel confirmed as not participating. Big blow to Bardet as it's long been his most important mountain domestique, the one who was the launch pad for his stage win and subsequent podium finish last year. The hope has to be Geniez stepping in into his place.
I see Cav is still talking about participating even though the national championship would be the only build-up. Might be able to contest some of the early sprint finishes, but with such a low level of race fitness I reckon it's a really bad idea. If he goes, the team has to be tailored to his needs robbing guys who could go for stage wins from breakaways from their place.