2017 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya

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Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 26.Mar 20:16, 2017
I'm sure it can only help to have Valverde to learn from as well.

Goon, Congrats!

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 26.Mar 18:32, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Thanks Francisco :)) a little lucky with the SKY failur, but I said pre race that i had a feeling SKY wouldn't be that consentrated for this race as we can expect a little later in the season when races like Romandie, Dauphine and TdF comes along .... so I guess that can be taken into this win ... and i had my share of bad luck with a millimeter lost for Bouhanni on stage 1 and Zakarin out .... :)))

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 26.Mar 18:15, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Indeed it was. He has the potential and the time on his way... :)

Congrats goon!

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 26.Mar 17:45, 2017
Francisco, I agree. He appears to be the heir to the legacy. It appears that Movistar is trying to let him develop at the pace he is comfortable with. I'm happy to see him get his podium here. It was a well earned podium position.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 26.Mar 14:27, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Without looking at alot of teams, i needed ca 80 points from Bardet today, included the gc points to have the slightest chance to win this game ... he took 89 .... now i cross my fingers and hopeing nobody don't come up from behind :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 26.Mar 10:49, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Koronin, he's the biggest card when we talk about Contador, Sanchez, Valverde and Purito legacy, don't you think?

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 26.Mar 05:56, 2017
Francisco, I did get a chance to watch a Eurosport replay of it. Basically they parapharsed his interview. Had to go find a Spanish article to read that had the interview written better so I could read. When they paraphrase interviews parts get left out and important stuff can get left out as well. Loved hearing what Valverde was saying about Soler.

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 25.Mar 23:43, 2017
I think Eurosport does if they bother to show the interview. A lot of times if I want to see his interviews I have to find the Spanish broadcast. Also since most races aren't shown in the US I have to find the broadcasts elsewhere anyway and sometimes end up watching them in other languages.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 25.Mar 21:00, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
And good for my season fantasy as well :)

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 25.Mar 20:59, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Soler is talented, his climbing times from yesterday prove that. Always has been and i am glad to see he shining here.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 25.Mar 20:37, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sorry Koronin, i thought you would watch in an english version and they would translate his words, as they've done here in portuguese...:)
But you're right he's praising him and pointing him as a future 3 week contender..:)

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 25.Mar 19:45, 2017
Francisco, unfortunately I won't be able to understand a lot of what he's saying. My Spanish is not very good. I'm learning. I'm not surprised he's praising Soler. The kid has been impressive in this race.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 25.Mar 19:38, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
He's one of a kind, goon... :D

Koronin, later when you watch you will hear your Alejandro speaking about Soler... ;)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 19:34, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I heard something funny today ... contadors daily schedule

Wake up ... check
Get dressed. ... check
Eat breakfast. ... check
Attack in the uphill. ... check ... :D

Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 25.Mar 19:34, 2017
Hopefully Kruijswijk will pay better attention to snow banks.
I haven't seen today's stage, will find it later to watch. However, it sounds like Sky wasn't paying attention again like the stage at La Vuelta last summer.
One other story from this race I think is important is the kid currently in 3rd place in GC, Marc Soler. He's one of the young Spaniards on the Movistar team that truthfully is the next generation of Spanish cyclists. He's like 22 or 23 years old. I think he's had an impressive race so far.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 25.Mar 19:25, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
In my humble opinion... it seems the 100th Giro will be unforgetable...
Already thinking about my team...:D i would like to have one or two places to riders like Nizzolo, Gaviria or other BUT with so many contenders racing i don't know if i will not go with 9 gc's... :D

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Saturday 25.Mar 19:20, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
As a Contador fan for a long long time i just hope he retires right in the very first time he feels he can't attack...
I don't want to see him riding diferently, winning or not... It will be a sad period, not just a moment, but i prefer to see him quit when he's still on top.
I believe he will, the unique and eternal fighter Alberto Pistolero Contador! :)

P.S. +2, Aragonite...

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 19:15, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well, he was a monster last year, and would definitelly have won without the visit in that snowbank .... so let's see how he does this edition, and if he can stay on his bike ..... give Quintana a little fight for it :)))

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 25.Mar 19:08, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I wonder if the snowbanks agree :)

Nathan [CT Glory] Saturday 25.Mar 18:18, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
+1. Should be contending for the win again..

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Saturday 25.Mar 18:11, 2017
4th FC-manager overall - 17th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Kruijswijk's Giro prep. seems to be going sweetly.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 25.Mar 16:28, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Agree with u on that goon :)

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 16:01, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
This in context with contador attacking of course :D

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 15:58, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Said it before and say it again .... omg what a sad sad day when Contador retiering. ...

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Saturday 25.Mar 15:49, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
When Rolland makes the front group and Froome doesn't :) Ah the joys of Cycling, this is great

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 15:44, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You can thank me when he wins tomorrows stage .... becaus thats whats happen when i mock a rider .... they win the next day :D

sinal [sinal cycling team] Saturday 25.Mar 15:42, 2017
10th FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
+13 minutes.
Sky imploded.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 15:42, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
EPO ..... The most scary part of dropping Thomas was to actually drop him .... he hasn't scared me since :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 25.Mar 14:48, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
5 minutes now, should be game over for Froome.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 25.Mar 14:19, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seems like that. I was hoping that BMC also missed it, but it doesn't look like that.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Mar 14:15, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
So, basically just SKY gone then ?

sinal [sinal cycling team] Saturday 25.Mar 14:07, 2017
10th FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
1 minute.

Some names in front group:
Valverde, Rojas, Fernandez, Erviti, Oliveira, Soler, Van Garderen, De Marchi, Yates, Impey, Howson, Verona, Martin, Brambilla, Serry, Mas, Schachmann Vakoc, Formolo, Rolland, Woods, Villella, Contador, Zubeldia, Fuglsang, Chernetskii, Hansen, Fominkyh, Vichot, Vaugrenard, Kruijswijk, Gesink, Bennett, Clement, Campenaerts, Bardet, Gautier, Vanendert, Grmay, Ten Dam, Frohlinger, Kamna, Berhane, Morton, Majka, Ait El Abdia, Paterski, Navarro, Vilela, Reyes, Riesebeek, Simon, Doubey, Smith

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 25.Mar 14:01, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hopefully he won't get any help from Astana this time.

sinal [sinal cycling team] Saturday 25.Mar 13:58, 2017
10th FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Froome in trouble.

Formigal all over again!

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 24.Mar 19:12, 2017
If we're talking about Sagan going on the bike path in the TT to avoid crashing into a person crossing when they shouldn't have, no. If we're talking about Sagan and a couple other riders riding on the pavement instead of the cobbles then there should have been sanctions although I do not know what the rule is. Personally I think a DQ in both instances is harsh. I think there may be a bunch of rules that need to be re evaluated and fixed.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Mar 15:02, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Andy ...
So for you Sammy is the right race leader becaus Tejay took his hat off ? ..... WOW .... we look at things differently :D ( i am sammys biggest fan btw )

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Friday 24.Mar 13:25, 2017
2nd FC-manager overall - 15th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Chances of Tejay getting ill during the stage : 92 %

Go Tejay!

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 24.Mar 13:13, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
should peter sagan be disqualified for riding on the pavement? should tejay be kicked out for taking off his helmet? should lance armstrong not be listed as a 7 time tour de france winner on FC? the list goes on...

BartVelo [BartVelo] Friday 24.Mar 13:03, 2017
18th FC-manager overall
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Unfortunately @hermansben was unable to start #VoltaCatalunya stage 5 due to illness. We'll provide an update later.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 22:33, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
haha

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 23.Mar 22:32, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I 100 % hope that Tejay wins :D

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 22:30, 2017
I expect BMC is going to have a very difficult day tomorrow and I don't expect to see any BMC still in a podium spot by the end of it.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 22:06, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
But anyway, nothing will be done and i suspect BMC are going to have a tough day keeping the jersey tomorrow.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 22:00, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Maybe the jaywalker is better off in jail :)

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 21:58, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
And to add to the last Message: The jaywalker gets thrown to jail and the fraud gets a fine. Makes no sense to me.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:58, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Let's just give Soul Brasil the penalties instead, they out of it anyway :)

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 21:57, 2017
But both are rules with penalties. The removing the helmet penalty is extremely clearly written. It doesn't make any difference rather there was an advantage gained it's a matter of a rule was broken. Granted this could turn into the ridiculousness of the NCAA rules where it becomes impossible to follow one rule without breaking another one, but well Tejay did start the entire thing by complaining on twitter and specifically stating Rules are rules.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:56, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Jaywalkers are dangerous people :) jk

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:55, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Most important rule is to ignore the rules and make them up as you go along. That's what happens in most cases :)

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 21:55, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
Haha Assassin, if your gonna compare crimes and relate it to this case it would be something like: Commiting a fraud vs jaywalking. And the jaywalker gets all the stick because he tweeted about the one commiting the fraud breaking the law ;)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 23.Mar 21:50, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
The most important rule is to use common sense.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:45, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Good shout Aragonite :)

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:45, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's not about the advantage for me, yes movistar u could argue was a gaining thing but it doesn't matter whether it's a gain or not to me. A rule has been broken. I might commit fraud and gain money or i might kill someone random in the street. Both are still crimes even if the second doesn't give me any gains.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 23.Mar 21:44, 2017
4th FC-manager overall - 17th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seens a UCI rule banning riders from using social media wouldn't be a bad thing.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 23.Mar 21:40, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I agree with that point but I insist both "issues" can't be mixed.
Tejay didn't take any advantage from his act, the same we can't say from Rojas and his whole team, so in terms of being with their mouth shouted I think the Spanish should be more concerned... :)

P.S. This has nothing to do with Iberian rivalry...:D my favorite rider is Mr Alberto and in the past was Big Miguel... :)

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:33, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Agreed Koronin

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 21:27, 2017
The problem is he should have kept his mouth shut in the first place.

The problem is that Tejay said rules are rules. Well he just broke one. Does not make any difference how different they are. Tejay's mouth (or in this case typing) is what is getting him into more trouble.

What this proves though is that BMC is going to have to be exceptionally careful from here on in as they are going to be watched and obviously if they do anything at all out of line it's going to be posted all over the internet.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 21:20, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yes he should keep his mouth shut i agree on that :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 23.Mar 21:18, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I truly hope Tejay and his team doesn't respond to that tweet.
Let him or them talk and don't react because that's simply silly...
He has a very difficult day ahead, he's permanently attacked by everybody and his only concern must be this race!
He will never be consensual and I really don't mind at all...I bet there are thousands waiting for his collapse maybe he can surprise many...even me... :D go Tejay.. :)

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 23.Mar 21:02, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Yes I am, goon, and I'm extremly happy for Tejay's leadership. Not secure FOR SURE but still a lead... :)
What I can't understand is how can someone try to compare both, TTT cheating with Tejay's "moment"...:)
What happened with Movistar's move was something strongly connected with stage results, nothing possible to compare with one rider that takes off his helmet or a jacket...
There are rules to follow? Ok apply them BUT don't try to compare what is so diferent when we discuss FAIRPLAY...

To me, Movistar should consider happy for such a light penalty!!!
That was cheating strong, that's how I saw it.
The same I felt with Bardet's move in Paris Nice.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 20:57, 2017
Is it dangerous. Yes. However, he broke the rule and he was also the most vocal about the rule being broken during the TTT. He should now have to pay for the rules violation. I do not know if there is a rule about removing clothing. Don't think there is though. I wouldn't be surprised if the helmet rule is from when they first made helmets mandatory and hasn't been revisited since.

I do agree with Assassin that they aren't going to do anything to him, even though they should even if it's just a fine.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 20:39, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's dangerous i agree but still it remains that he broke a rule and he should pay the penalty just as movi did. I don't know why i'm arguing this, he's gunna get rekt tomorrow anyway :)

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 20:34, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
I agree with you there Koronin.

All kind of rules should be examined and some of them redone. The question is where to draw the line? We seen several Things already this season that's Worth to discuss.

In Tejays case, he removed the helmet. Assassin: Do you know the rules about removing other clothing? Jackets etc. The riders do that all the time, and in my opinion it's just as dangerous as removing your helmet for a second.

But I'm still not very excited about ending this discussion at this point since taking what Tejay wrote as literally as you do is way to simple and it incriminate him more than I'm comfortable with based on what we compare it with, the Rojas incident in the TTT. The focus lies more on his remarks now and to kick him out based on a tweet than the incident (that I call real cheating based on doing what it takes to gain the edge to win the stage).

it's a matter of opinion and I'm happy your all here so we can share them :)

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 20:25, 2017
It is a violation of the rules. Does not matter if there is an advantage to be gained or not. It is a CLEAR violation of the rules. If a rider, in this case Tejay, is being so adamant about rules are rules and must be followed, then he must be DQed for violating a very clearly written rule.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 20:21, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Whilst taking off a helmet wasn't for an advantage, it's a still a rule break. A dog with 3 legs is still a dog, as a quote i was told goes

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 20:14, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
So the UCI were allegedly bribed to change the ruling against Movistar? I don't fancy conspiracy theories as an argument to be honest.

And the only reason Movistar should be pissed by Tejays Twitter rant is that they got punished for something that was a punishable offence according to the rules. It's kinda sad that they just can't get over it and just accept the fact.

As I said earlier, just DQ Tejay and see how that will turn out. If you thought his Twitter rant was bad just wait and see how the rest of the peloton will react if they kick him out. You can say it's a techincal violation of the rules but it's not for gaining an edge to win time over the competition. There is a difference between the two offences, and it won't hide the fact that Rojas just looks stupid after today.

The Movistar camp and supporters are clearly ok with taking shortcuts and get furious when they get caught. A friend of mine that likes to argue would say that, lol.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 20:12, 2017
Assassin, you're right that this race is a farce at this point.

Ole, I get your point. However, I'm going on what Tejay was crying about and yelling that rules are rules and must be followed exactly. Well, if you are so adamant about that, then you need to be out of the race.

Personally I think both rules needs to be re examined and redone.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 19:53, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hehe yeah, it's always nice to have a lively discussion.

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 19:50, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
The funny thing here is that I'm kind of a Movistar-fan myself. (More fan of riders, but as a team I like how they ride). My opinions is based on what I feel will benefit cycling.

It's fun with a debate though and thankfully we don't always agree.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 19:48, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
It's already a farce tbh Koronin

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 19:48, 2017
As for the TTT rule, there is nothing in the rule about DQing someone for pushing another rider let alone a hand check which is not a push in the first place.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 19:47, 2017
Technically violating the rule is cheating regardless of what the rule is and rather or not it's a bit ridiculous of a rule. However, in the case Movistar would be correct for being pissed that a rider is out there screaming and crying that rules are rules and must be followed to the letter than blatantly violates a rule and has no repercussions for it at all. This also then leads to the UCI appearance of favoring one team over another and choosing when and where to enforce rules and possibly gives credence to the rumor that the UCI was bribed to change the ruling over night against Movistar. Also if he doesn't get DQed it makes this entire race a complete joke and farce.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 19:44, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You know ... becaus he is Tejays biggest fan .... but I bet he see the logic here as well :)))

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 19:41, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I think Francisco is in also :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 19:35, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I agree with that Ole, it would be impossible and potentially it could cause a revolt. However, if rules are to be respected then he should be DSQ'd. He won't be DSQ'd as they will most likely apply it to the situation as i stated they should have done earlier. But it's a farce however u look at it

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 19:31, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
It's you and me against the world, Goon! :) lol

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 19:30, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Again Ole .... couldn't agree more ... well said :)))

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 19:26, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
In principle i would agree, but in this case Rojas emerging as much more of a crying child than Tejay ever did in this case .... I lost all respect for that guy after this ....

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 19:25, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
Well, so kick him out then. And at the same time force the riders to stop and get of the bike before taking any kind of clothing on or of. It's just as dangerous to take of a jacket than the helmet.

But it seems like your missing my point though. It's the cheating part and that the cheater acts like a child in the aftermath. That's my issue in all of this. Most of you guys defend the cheater because Tejay used Twitter to make everyone aware of what was going on.

Let's say Tejay gets DQ'd after that. What would the riders do? Probably revolt because now they can't even adjust their clothing on the bike. It will be impossible to Control that for the commissaries and some will be caught and some won't. Is that how we want it?

The thing is that how they solve this will probably set the bar for how Things will be dealt with in the future. If Tejay gets kicked out it might change Things more than the riders will appreciate.

In the meantime, the cheater is still in the race, helping his captain to win.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 19:12, 2017
Except that Tejay was yelling extremely loudly that rules are rules and must be followed exactly. So he violated a rule and thus should be punished for violating a rule. Tejay was the one crying the most about following the rules to the letter of the law and he just violated one with a very specific punishment. At this point it does not matter if he was trying to cheat or not, he very blatantly violated a very specific rule.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 19:08, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I agree 100% Ole :))) this is just stupid and talking about losing in long therm :D

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 19:08, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
Most of them whine because of safety issues which is understandable. But it's the cheating I hate and also the reason I react strongly to it.

Rojas should just shut up and Accept it, and learn from it. Now he just look stupid.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 19:04, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
There are more children than Rojas in this sircus :D the one hurten soul afler the other grabs with both hands .... like this was a big deal in this world :D

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 19:03, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
Just to be clear. I seem very pro-BMC here, and that's not correct at all. It's the cheating I hate. Always trying to gain an extra edge by not following the rules.

Tejay didn't cheat, but he did something the rest of the peloton do, and yes, it can cause crashes. But crashes can occur when they take of raincoates etc. Is that against the rules?

So he should be punished for that.

On the other hand, should someone who cheats to win a stage get less of a punishment than someone who removes his helmet to get rid of his cap? No way.

Rojas acts like a child and trivialize his cheating. He only makes a fool of himself.

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 18:58, 2017
If rules are rules, then Tejay must be DQed from this race for voilating a rule with a very clear penalty. He said rules are rules, well then bye bye Tejay.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 18:58, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Uh .... oh well .... get well soon :)))

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 18:43, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
Bruised rib. Helps to read the article and not just the headline!

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 18:42, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
Looks like Zakarin has to abandon the race btw. Hope he's ok.

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 18:41, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
It's cute how Rojas trivialize his own cheating for gaining edge in order to win by posting this. It's how a child would react.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 18:40, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hahaha what a show ... full war :D to be continue :D you gotta love this sport :)))

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 18:28, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If the rules are the rules as BMC have stated, Bye Tejay :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 23.Mar 18:26, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
https://twitter.com/jjrojillas/status/844962944882495488
https://twitter.com/jjrojillas/status/844963031335550977

Now you understand what I mean with not very good for BMC in the long run.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 17:59, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Good for my team ... it didn't look good when it happened. .... hope he is fit for fight tomorrow :)))

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 17:50, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
I don't know if BMC cried for timeloss for the entire Movistar-team, but it would surprise me if that's the case. The punishment were too severe imo, but at the same time it's correct do something. And to a Spanish team at home soil too.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Thursday 23.Mar 17:49, 2017
4th FC-manager overall - 17th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Seems Zakarin finished in the lead group. Impressive.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 17:45, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I agree with that and yes at OHN they were cowards. Kinda ruins the point of cobbles if they are going to ride on the path.

Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Thursday 23.Mar 17:37, 2017
24th FC-manager overall
If the rules are Clear, follow them. All kinds of shortcuts should be punished so the riders learn to honor the rules. I can't see the problem With this. It's just like the cobble classic where the riders went on the side of the road instead of on the cobbles. The commissaries were Cowards not to do anything about it in that race.

Cycling is a high risk sport and I often see the riders tweet about safety and so on. If they let things pass it could one day escalate to something that could become dangerous.

The tweets may be wrong but breaking the rules a "little" is not right either.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Thursday 23.Mar 16:54, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I agree with some of ur points goon but i am with Andy and Koronin on this. I think it was the way in which BMC conducted themselves afterwards which got to many people. If Tejay VanGarderen worked at my workplace, he would have been sacked because he just went mental and it wasn't the behaviour of a professional. Whilst i would go with Rojas receiving a penalty, the whole team getting a penalty is stupid. I'm no Movistar fan boy, i like them no more than any others, but i feel they have been rather hard done by. The rules might be there but sometimes you have to consider what has happened rather than follow rulebook to the T. And as Andy said previously no one really gained. BMC clearly couldn't handle the loss and the farcical changing of the results was a real shame.

Nathan [CT Glory] Thursday 23.Mar 16:39, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
nasty. seems to be ok.

Lol123 [High Flyers] Thursday 23.Mar 16:35, 2017
Zakarin crashed

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Thursday 23.Mar 10:41, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I agree with goon. BMC haven't done anything wrong, they simply pointed for something that didn't looked right and it wasn't right!..
Movistar should be happy for such a light penalty...:) i would love to see what could hapen to the team without those two guys in the last part of the TT...

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 23.Mar 09:20, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
saw an interview with hermans where he said that getting back in line after completing your pull is the hardest part of the TTT

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 09:18, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Let me add this .... also contrary to expectations :D to sit on wheel is like a weak magnet .... it doesn't work if you are a meter behind .... on the same second you are close enough, the magnet starts to work, and it gets alot easyer to hold the speed ... the higher speed, the stronger is the magnet effect :)))

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Mar 08:35, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Well, rules are rules, so if theres ONE moron here, it's Rojas ... I mean the guy is 31 yo and been in this game for 12 years, ..... what he did, maybe didn't look that serious at first glance, but what if Amador or/and Castroviejo had droped without Rajas pushing them ? Or is that unthinkable in here ? In case, contrary to expectations the users in here don't quit understand how HARD a TTT really is, let me explain .... when Amador and Castroviejo got pushe, they just finish their Job in front ... and a big part of that Job, is to make sure they catch up with the tale again ( maybe the hardest part of the Job becaus you are tired after pushing in front )... Rojas seemed to have one Job, and that was to help his team mates catch up with that tale, and that is ( very understandable for me ) illegal ... submitted protest by BMC is very understandable in my point of wiev . ... why are BMC the bad guy here ? .... they did nothing wrong .... oh ... well, unless complaining is a crime :D

Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 23.Mar 00:48, 2017
I´m with Andy, BMC may have convinced the UCI to hand them the stage win, but they are not making any fans (or friends) with this. With their tweets they are proving to be crybabies and will loose in the long run. At this point as long as BMC does not get any podium places I couldn't care less who does get those spots.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Mar 17:02, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Top 5, 7 top 8 pluss Froome .... can't complain so far :)))

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 22.Mar 16:46, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Ah .... SKY in front .... refreshing :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Wednesday 22.Mar 14:33, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Commissaries have been about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Absolute rubbish job from them and have made it rather farcical.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 22.Mar 13:24, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Places on TTT should not count according to UCI rules. So Bookwalter who was best on stage 1 should be leader. But since nobody know about this rules, nobody cares.

BartVelo [BartVelo] Wednesday 22.Mar 13:20, 2017
18th FC-manager overall
haha, the soap continues. Bookwalter did 1 spot better in stage 1. Hermans was the first BMC rider in the team time trial to pass the finish line. So how does that count for placing. If it's seen as 1 spot better, dan it could be equal and then what?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 22.Mar 12:55, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hermans riding in leader jersey, but I have now have seen a results sheet on twitter which says that Bookwalter is the leader. What a great job by the commissaries, they should get an award for this great job!
But to be honest, Bookwalter should be the best man from BMC in GC.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 22.Mar 12:18, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Wrong race thread, but yes, it's all or nothing today. The probability for that my gamble succeed is not very big, but I at least try, I didn't do that at MSR with the most boring team of them all. And Kirsch was good at Le Samyn, therefore he deserves to be on my team here, even though there is no rain here, unfortunately.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 22.Mar 12:13, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
ballsy team andy with no sprinters. either first or last today for you

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 22.Mar 12:10, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Alex Kirsch
On 1/154 teams

hahaha

BartVelo [BartVelo] Wednesday 22.Mar 11:17, 2017
18th FC-manager overall
Could be an exciting stage today full with anger from some teams with a desire to make BMC pay and deminish their lead. Perhaps fireworks already on Alt de Toses.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 22.Mar 11:09, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Congrats to the UCI commissaries for doing a wrong decision. I am not exactly becoming a bigger fan of BMC after this. They are maybe winning a stage, but will lose in the long run.

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Wednesday 22.Mar 10:53, 2017
2nd FC-manager overall - 15th FC-manager last 6 weeks
hahaha. lol this race

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 22.Mar 10:48, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
lol. on the bright side i now get jersey points for hermans and the GC battle will be more exciting. what were the organizers thinking with a 41 km TTT? great way to kill the GC from the start..

sinal [sinal cycling team] Wednesday 22.Mar 10:43, 2017
10th FC-manager overall - 4th FC-manager last 6 weeks
https://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/844476906653335552

BartVelo [BartVelo] Wednesday 22.Mar 10:32, 2017
18th FC-manager overall
PCS had Movistar listed as third at 0:58. So the team must be punished with 1 minute to all riders.

BartVelo [BartVelo] Wednesday 22.Mar 10:20, 2017
18th FC-manager overall
The UCI Commissaires at #VoltaCatalunya have confirmed the decision from the stage 2 TTT has been reversed and BMC Racing Team are now the winners. Ben Hermans will wear the leader's jersey and Kilian Frankiny is leading the young rider classification. #DontCrackUnderPressure

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 21.Mar 19:25, 2017
BMC is POed because they lost the TTT that they think they own. I agree they should be penalized for stupid tweets. Also not sure how a hand check to keep from crashing is giving anyone an advantage. Truthfully I'd think they got a bigger advantage being in a brief slipstream of the team they passed out on the circuit.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 18:33, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
And at the same time as I wrote this, times have been changed and Trek and Contador is now +1.15 like they should be.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 18:32, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Lots of mistakes in the results, and because of that, I will not add the results before they are corrected. Whole Trek team is wrong, and I'm quite sure Contador finished with his team.

I don't either understand why the rules are like they are. But BMC and Trek made an official protest, and in my opinion, BMC should rather have got the penalty because of the silly tweets about this. The only rider on Movistar to blame for this is Rojas, but nobody gained anything, so what is really the problem?

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 21.Mar 18:27, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
seems valverde wont be penalized

Volta a Catalunya @VoltaCatalunya 1m1 minute ago
❗️@jjrojillas, sancionado con 3 min. por empujar a un compañero. @alejanvalverde, nuevo líder

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 21.Mar 18:25, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Ben Hermans SHOULD be in the leader's jersey according to the rules. But what's the reasoning behind this rule? A one second push is enough to give the entire team a 1 minute penalty, wtf? Seems utterly retarded.

Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 21.Mar 18:22, 2017
4th FC-manager overall - 17th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Did Contador get a penalty?

Nathan [CT Glory] Tuesday 21.Mar 18:10, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Amador got a 2 minute penalty and Oliveira a 1 minute penalty.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:50, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Rojas has got 3 min penalty now, but no team penalties, so Valverde is new race leader.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:40, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Spanish race ..... that could take a while :D

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:33, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Not sure ... wierd list ..... Trek was 4 in the race 1.15 behind, but the gc is way off .... so it must be wrong

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:33, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I don't trust the results, seems very strange, and the whole Trek team has a minute more than they finished on, so let's just wait on official results until we conclude about anything. BMC angry about Movistar riders pushing their team mates, but just find those tweets silly, they didn't gained anything from that.

Nathan [CT Glory] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:30, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
So Contador just fucked his own chances for gc?

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:26, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If the list i'm looking at is right ..... seems a little wierd though :D

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Mar 17:23, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Contador couldn't stay with trek and lost alot of time 3.04 behind ... Mollema 2.15 behind together with Bardet .... pretty desent TTT by Ag2r i think .... Etixx and Martin must be a little disappointed 2.13 behind ....

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 14:49, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I will try to do a gamble team for Dwars door, but just didn't find any real jokers for this race. Didn't use very much time of this one though.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Mar 14:40, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
As i'm sure you can tell from my post, i saw that as a posibilety .... a pretty huge one as well .... but i'm sick and tired of these safe boring games these days, so i take more plesure in taking some chances, give a crap in the season comp for a while and see how it goes :)))

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 14:03, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I see. But I don't trust such interviews, because that could mean Froome is better than he wants to tell, to make it a surprise for the other teams, if that's possible when we are talking about Froome.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 21.Mar 13:57, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
because i just read it 10 mins ago

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 21.Mar 13:56, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
So why do you have Froome on 125 and Thomas on 100 then? I thought Thomas would be the man from Sky before the Sky so put him on 125, while Froome has never done that well here, so only 80 for him here. But it can of course be that Froome is in better shape that the reports, that's why I prefer not to read interviews, and just do it by the feeling.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 21.Mar 13:47, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
tough luck, goon. nicolas portal says that geraint is the captain and not froome :)

LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Tuesday 21.Mar 06:45, 2017
2nd FC-manager overall - 15th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I think Bardet is not bothering the GC that much, maybe a stage win for him tho?

Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 21.Mar 02:42, 2017
I ended up putting Bardet on my team as well. One of those picks I'm still not confident about. Truthfully I expect BMC to win tomorrow´s TTT. I also wouldn´t be shocked if we have a clear picture of who the real GC contenders are after tomorrow.

goon1221 [BMC] Monday 20.Mar 20:43, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I got the currage to pick Bardet for my team .... No chance of winning gc of course becaus ag2r will lose alot of time tomorrow. ..... but hopely he wants to show his strength and try to win time back in both the shorter climbs and the long ones... pick some bonus seconds and be a great point picker for me .... and a top 6 gc in the end .... I droped Thomas for some reason .... I knew it was wrong when i did it, but I did it any way ..... for some reason, it feels like SKY will not be as dominant team for this race, as we can expect later in the season when Romandie, Dauphine and TdF comes along ..... so, Let's say it like this, i will NOT be a SKY fan for this race :D not that I am any other day :D

Koronin [Koronin] Monday 20.Mar 20:21, 2017
Tomorrow will definitely decide who has any shot t the GC. I expect BMC, Orica, Sky and Movistar to have the top times in some order and not a lot of time separating those teams (provided Sky doesn't have more wheel issues).

Nathan [CT Glory] Monday 20.Mar 19:41, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Tomorrow will mainly decide GC. Should work in our favor and get some fireworks later this week. I really hope Orica, Sky, Trek, Etixx and BMC do well for my team :)

Nathan [CT Glory] Monday 20.Mar 19:37, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Cool right!

BartVelo [BartVelo] Monday 20.Mar 19:36, 2017
18th FC-manager overall
Good for you. A lot of players are playing for the season competition, see: http://firstcycling.com/maraton.php?aar=2017

Lol123 [High Flyers] Monday 20.Mar 18:48, 2017
Hahaha, after many weeks of putting sole sprint teams for race wins, I get my first 1st of the year with a mixed team. Pretty surprising but Ill take it.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Monday 20.Mar 11:40, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
No sprinters here, maybe one or two bunch sprints. Just maybe, don't care!
With 9 gc's if we can call Tejay a gc contender...:)
P.S. Yes, another chance to Van Garderen... this time not so high as in Tirreno... :D

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 19.Mar 23:53, 2017
LOL, I agree it is definitely another edition of "pick the right BMC rider". Who knew that was part of the competition this year.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Mar 19:07, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
I wrote a complaining letter to them, and threatened with a team name change :D SKY is like a dream in comparison :D another question is weither you pick a sprinter or two, or leave them out all together :)))

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 19.Mar 18:42, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Time for another edition of "pick the right BMC rider(s)"...

Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 19.Mar 16:09, 2017
BMC posted tweeted this morning that two of their TT bikes (Dennis and Tejay) were stolen.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 18.Mar 09:32, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
About that .... BMC makes life hard for a pore manager again .... I went for Van Garderens in Tirreno for some reason .... that was a 50 50 shot :D

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 17.Mar 22:01, 2017
LOL, Milan-San Remo is tomorrow. Catalunya is Monday. LOL So I think I do have the weekend to work on it. Now that doesn't mean I'll be any happier with it on Monday though.

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 17.Mar 20:50, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
haha ofc

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 17.Mar 20:31, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Haha sorry .... it's all abot sanremo for me obviously :D

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Friday 17.Mar 19:50, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Catalunya doesn't start tomorrow Goon :)

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 17.Mar 19:25, 2017
19th FC-manager overall - 16th FC-manager last 6 weeks
You dont got all weekend though. .. the race is tomorrow :)))

Koronin [Koronin] Friday 17.Mar 18:25, 2017
I'm mostly happy with the team I've picked, but I have two riders I'm just not sure I want to stick with. Have to make up my mind this weekend.

Francisco [K92-Team Neverland] Sunday 12.Mar 10:05, 2017
23th FC-manager overall - 19th FC-manager last 6 weeks
How can you be so rude guys?
They are such a clean, decent team. Not like all the other dirty doped and cheaters guys...

Nathan [CT Glory] Tuesday 7.Mar 19:47, 2017
14th FC-manager overall - 27th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Hope so!

Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Tuesday 7.Mar 19:10, 2017
5th FC-manager overall - 24th FC-manager last 6 weeks
*Probably won't be sir much longer :)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 7.Mar 16:44, 2017
3rd FC-manager overall - 9th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Sir*

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 7.Mar 14:18, 2017
18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Slightly easier with Henao and Thomas out from the provisional startlist. And goodbye Dave B!

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 7.Mar 13:52, 2017
15th FC-manager overall - 7th FC-manager last 6 weeks
If it was difficult in Tirreno, good luck to find out the tactics to Sky here, with or without Brailsford as the head boss.

Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 3.Mar 11:33, 2017
18th FC-manager last 6 weeks
Line-up so far is really bonkers GC-wise, hope they can cough up parcours soon...