Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Tuesday 30.May 07:31, 2017
I think Tejay Van Garderen should go for a similar career like Robert Gesink does. Don't focus too much on the GT GC, but try to win yourself a nice palmares with smaller tours, stage wins in GT's and maybe a smaller one day race here and there. He can still climb very well and has a powerful weapon with this time trial skills.
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 30.May 04:46, 2017
I still think Tejay needs to sit down and reassess his abilities and skills and what actually fits him best. I also think a change of team might help him as well. I agree with whoever said he needs to put a little weight back on and become the Time Trialist he is truly capable of becoming. I also think he could be either a very good domestique for a top GT GC rider, or go to a team more interested in stage wins. Loose time and then get in some breaks and go stage hunting.
Having said all of that I am very happy he was able to get a stage win. That has to help his confidence and morale.
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Monday 29.May 20:45, 2017
I truly believe it and I think he just need to make up his mind..
That young American of Tour can't have simply gone forever...
Btw, betting so high on him in SF and then not have him on regular?
It was just pushing to see if I would keep increasing the price? :D
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 29.May 20:41, 2017
I cheered for him. He's failed so many times after a good first week in GTs now that it's fairly obviously that his current physique is too strained to compete over three weeks. Which is a shame given a couple of more kilos for power in the TT is just what could've made the difference here.
LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Monday 29.May 20:35, 2017
His stage win was worth that 50 million - after seeing him go down on GC and being brutally honest to the Velonews interviewer about his current state on GC-rider. Good job by Tejay <o/
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Monday 29.May 20:22, 2017
I agree with Aragonite. Completely!
I also didn't pick Tom, one Stelvio's size error among many others since I'm here...:)
I managed to beat some 40 managers with him, by keeping Gaviria at vice captain and changing him by Landa in the last week.
Also because of Tejay, don't forget. I'm still waiting to see somebody cheers him for his great stage victory and his very decent last week!
Many of you were always so quickly to talk about his failures but none to write a single sentence about his victory... :D
Except Koronin, who dedicate a sentence to him! :)
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 29.May 19:36, 2017
Wow ... well done .... I did the opposite :D i droped Pinot, that was no problem actually becaus i had low picked Zakarin ... but I cracket a little bit when my other low picked guy Landa went out of the gc .... then I for some STUPID reason removed Yates from my team in an atempt to still have a chance of winning :D .... well, we learn a little every day, and this goes in the book of "KEEP CALM" :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 29.May 19:22, 2017
I agree Goon. I didn't include Dumoulin in my initial team. That in a lot of other fantasy games would of been a terminal error. What a nightmare watching the rest of the Giro, would of been. But because of the game rules I got the chance to do something about it. Whilst winning was out of the question I still managed to finish 33rd, beating 71 managers who selected Dumoulin.,
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 29.May 19:15, 2017
But the New idea would be a nice addition to it .... I like to predict, and the new idea would make every stage interesting managervize ... breakaway riders would get a bigger part of the game, and you really need to go into every stage and the peloton :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 29.May 19:09, 2017
The current GT game is the best .... you need to prepeare well for the GC guys, do some good math, and 2 chances to recover if some of your guys fails .... couldn't be better :)))
Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 29.May 18:07, 2017
Well, its not a stupid rule. If it wasn't in place anyone could just change in the riders for the top 3 in the overall on the last rest-day. If we remove this rule then we might as well have a "GT stage-only manager" without GC points.
Another idea I wanted to test:
Splitt a GT into 7 rounds, 3 stages in each. With different teams for each. Then having a leader board for the race with all points from all the rounds combined.
Think that would have been really cool. Having to pick riders based on the upcoming stages, and also letting you "play" more during the race, without lets say a rule making it possible to make x-changes whenever.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 29.May 17:12, 2017
I'm still waiting for Tomas to import my one Giro-win from my first attempt in 2013, Loebas:
Casar! Agnoli!! Paolini was a great pick though (after he smashed it at Nieuwsblad that year)
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 29.May 16:55, 2017
I failed on that on my first participation too, Loebas. It would be too easy to do well if you could mix and match on every rest day without penalty - though the current format makes it hard. As Andy pointed out, my tactic this time was to start with eight GC contenders in order to be sure I got most of the top five. And I still left out Thomas, Landa, Jungels, Pozzovivo and Yates among others.
Then again, other GTs have more sprinter stages and in that regard sure-fire points gatherers which are not GC-contenders - less room to go all GC like I did this time.
So the quick summary is that GTs are the most complicated managerwise, but hopefully it whets the appetite for new managers enough for them to continue participating and build the necessary knowledge to do well with the rules this site applies.
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 29.May 16:43, 2017
If you change your team and you GC guys like Tom D out then you lose your X4 bonus for keeping them the same for the 3 weeks. They have to be in the same place from day 1 to day 21 to get those pts.
Loebas [Loebas] Monday 29.May 16:41, 2017
So, if you change your team on the resting days, no riders get points? Not even the riders on your team from the last week, which I thought were going to give you GC points. I am sorry to tell you, but that is actually a stupid rule. He had such a good last week.
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 29.May 15:38, 2017
It's a little sad isn't it .... coming home with no giro on the telly :.. ( my mind is on criterium du Dauphine already, and a new set og fantastic GT riders .... and a couple of strong norwegians :))) Can't wait :D
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Monday 29.May 14:19, 2017
Better memory than me Andy. Classifications I found ok, but who won , and who held pink in the early to mid stages proved too much for my ageing brain.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Monday 29.May 08:35, 2017
Your brother has changed his team on the resting days. Therefore he has no riders getting GC points. That's why a lot of players get passed him.
Remember the rule that a rider has to stay the whole grand tour on the same spot in order to get GC points.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Monday 29.May 06:50, 2017
Anyone willing to test their knowledge on the winners here: https://www.sporcle.com/games/Viktrodriguez/giro-ditalia-2017-winners
Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 29.May 00:15, 2017
Manager info: my huge optimalizing of the admin-panels some weeks ago, also included the manager. Now GT-manager runs through the normal stage-race manager calculation files. Meaning it took the normal x2 calc into the (stage+stage+stage) calculation, before we added the GC-points x4 for riders qualified for them.
So all teams got a little less points. Same winner by fare. Other teams may have gone up/down a place or two. Sorry about this. Started looking into the huge numbers for the teams right after we added the GC-calculations.
And before anyone asked: Elo rankings will be rolled back..
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 28.May 23:47, 2017
I am thinking Landa might be the unluckiest GC rider in the peloton right now. I agree with the moto crash in the first week Landa probably does win the whole thing.
goon, you're right with Pinot.
It does show Quintana can do a good time trial, but he is still a level below the other top GC riders. If Nibably was 30 seconds instead of 40 seconds behind Quintana going into the TT he ends up 2nd overall. Contador, Froome and Valverde are all also better TTers than Quintana. I think the TT we saw from Quintana today is the best he can do unless we're talking about a mountain time trial.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 28.May 23:39, 2017
Finished in 33rd position. Can't complain at all really. 106 managers selected Dumoulin from the get go, and I didn't. Transfers I made were pretty much as good as it gets though. #Dodgedabullet.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 28.May 22:09, 2017
Congratz on the duel Andy :))) .... what if Landa stay in the GC ....Maybe you win the whole thing ? ... anyway, i think Landa was a really good pick, and maybe, maybe Dumoulin can thank that incident with the motocycle for his win ?? I mean, it could be an whole different race with SKY in gc fight here, and Landas enormous climbing in week 3 .... he looked like giros strongest guy for me :)))
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Sunday 28.May 22:02, 2017
If the first ITT wasn't as windy I say Quintana would have lost at least 30 seconds less that day. The wind really killed him in that ITT, which wasn't a factor today.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 28.May 21:45, 2017
Fun to see different strategies is top 10 here. Logreid who had 8 GC riders, while I only had 5 (never thought Thomas would actually finish). I had never expected a such good results here, so it was probably a good idea to do it a different way than I normal do in GTs.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 28.May 21:41, 2017
Let me illustrate how bad/good time trail Quintana did today .... when Dumoulin ride a 100 meters Quintana only did 97 meters .... 1000 m for Dumoulin 970 meters for Quintana. ... of course on a distance of 30 km the gap is one whole km :D
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 28.May 21:31, 2017
Koronin :))) .... I told you ... Quintana can do decent TTs. ... I also said yesterday Pinot showes a tendence to either climb well or TT well, not both .... and he kind of confirmed that in his interview after the race today :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 28.May 21:25, 2017
Dumoulin rode basically what was expected of him. Nibali I think as well. Quintana put in a fabulous TT for him and Pinot did not ride close to what he's capable of. Congrats to Tom, well deserved.
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 28.May 20:36, 2017
Are the results factoring GC points now?
Anyway I did a decnt manager but made a few significant mistakes: I bet on Kruijswijk instead of believing in a Dumulin really competitive on the mountains, I choose not to pick Landa as stage hunter/ KOM jersey contenter (went fro Fraille and Polanc instead and they did't perform well in the final stages) and those 9 seconds between Quintana and Nibali mean that my hazard of choosing Nibali as captain won't pay off.
Was fun anyway to play :)
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Sunday 28.May 19:23, 2017
All those stories about Jan Jansen and Joop Zoetemelk and now I finally see a Dutchie win a Grand Tour, the 100th edition of the most beautiful one.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 28.May 18:11, 2017
Congratz to Tom Dumoulin, with a bathroom break, some clever climbing and a couple of strong time trails :))) ... and well done on this timetrail Quintana .... you needed a little bit more though .... 1.25 and you would've won it :)))
Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 28.May 17:34, 2017
Love that the Giro as put back an ITT for the last stage. That was soooo exciting!
Manager: as always for the GT's there will be a little time before the GC-points are calculated into the mix, and a winner can be crowned.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 28.May 11:48, 2017
The TT of all times ? We'll see ..... anyway, the situation couldn't be better .... Quintana with a realistic hope, Nibali, Pinot and Dumoulin with a realistic hope ... Zakarin with podium ambitions. .... wow ..... :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 27.May 19:20, 2017
Movistar's boss has stated today that Quintana cannot win the GC tomorrow. He needed 2 minutes to have a shot and he did not get it. As for rather Quintana keeps a podium spot or not is a good question. He will shed time to both Nibali and Pinot however, it's going to depend on what type of TT all 3 ride. Pinot is the best of that group if he rides at his best. Dumoulin took between a minute and a half and 2 minutes out of Quintana in week 3 TT at the Vuelta two years ago. The only GC rider within 1 minute of him in that TT was Valverde who is a much better TTer than Quintana.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 27.May 18:41, 2017
Nibali + 39
Pinot + 43
Dumoulin + 53
Zakarin + 1.15
These are the podium contenders and 4 of them for the win .... my prediction is this
Pinot ..... one thing i notice with Pinot is that he either climbs well or TTs well .... not both .... so we'll see :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 27.May 12:56, 2017
Agree ... the TT is not math after 3 weeks .... if Quintana got 1.20 to Dumoulin, he will bleed out off his ears before he give that up ... so round 1.30 to Dumoulin is the magic nr. in my point of view .... not 2 minutes .... to the other contenders, it's really hard to say .... he might go as well as Nibali and Pinot at his best, and when it really matters .... he showed great timetrailing before :)))
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Saturday 27.May 12:30, 2017
Winning GT is about saving as much as possible to the last climb. I agree in that Nibali did not say his last word. Quintana is a big mystery right now. He may go bananas, but he may also fall off the podium as he is obviously not in his best shape and has shown weakness already.
Also remember that TT after 3 weeks of intense riding is not the same as a TT after a couple of flat transport stages. I still believe Dumoulin will win last stage, but the gaps may be smaller this time.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 27.May 10:23, 2017
Kruijswijk DNS today after stomach problems. That means Monfort is now 12th, but should had for him to make top 10 in a GT for the second time in his career with numerous top 20's in GTs.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 27.May 08:56, 2017
Alafaci was in a crash earlyer and was full of scratches and bruises and in pain i heard, so maybe he got some sympathy caus of that ?
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 27.May 01:08, 2017
I get the why he threw the water bottle. BartVelo is right on that. He still shouldn't have tossed the water bottle as it could have caused a crash that was just avoided. I agree, this is more "damaging to the image of the sport" than the guy who was looking for a date.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Saturday 27.May 00:18, 2017
I agree with you.
The why is that Sutherland was making a sudden move to the left and cutting him of, almost causing a crash. Alafaci didn't like that and overreacted.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 27.May 00:17, 2017
Once I saw that I was sure Alafaci would be disqualified, and I haven't changed my opinion. It was dangerous, could have caused a crash also, and I still don't understand why he did it.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Saturday 27.May 00:06, 2017
Alafaci fined for water bottle toss 200ChF 1 minute penalty
--> Moreno thrown out after his incident
Why is Alafaci not thrown out?
How about damaging the sport, the image of sport by throwing a bottle?
Remember Tom Steels water bottle incident? (oke, that was in full sprint, but...)
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 26.May 22:45, 2017
Quintana needs around 2 minutes on Dumoulin before Sunday's TT. Nibali needs possibly a minute, and needs probably around that minute as well. Agreed that if Pinot is on his game he's the best TTer of the rest of the GC riders. I still think Dumoulin can take back around 2 minutes on Quintana even with the TT being stage 21. I think was stage 18 of the 2015 Vuelta that he put at least 2 minutes into all the other GC contenders except Valverde who was just under a minute to Dumoulin. Tomorrow will be interesting. I also expect Nibali to put in an attack to try to win it. With it not being an uphill finish it favors Nibali and hurts Quintana.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 26.May 21:47, 2017
If we got a dejavu on that one, it will really really take the edge off this potentially fantastic scenario we are facing here ... so that would be just sad .....
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 26.May 20:54, 2017
If Dumoulin can limit his lost to 1 min to all the top guys ...it will be a dream scenario on the TT .... Pinot at his best got a better TT than Nibali, Nibali got a better TT than Quintana and Dumoulin. ... well, say no more ..... the TT of all times, and this is actually a very likely scenario :))) with that being said, i'm with Andy on the Nibalis "win Giro" Attack tomorrow ....it would surprise me if it doesn't come ....
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 26.May 18:31, 2017
Dumoulin has confirmed now that he just was sitting too far back in the peloton, so no reason to be angry on Movistar and Bahrain on their attack. It has to be legal to go hard when the leader is in the back of the peloton, if not what is then the point of being positioned in the front of the peloton?
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Friday 26.May 17:48, 2017
Thus Dumoulin was just very bad today. Nibali and Quintana did not attack him on a peeing break. Tom was behind, because he was simply not good enough. According to Tom Dumoulin himself after the race.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 26.May 17:13, 2017
Wow .... what a race this will be this weekend .... 43 sec between the podium and Pinot, Zakarin and pozzovivo close by .... 6 guys can still win this thing with 2 stages togo :)))
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Friday 26.May 14:45, 2017
Robbie McEwan keeping it real.
Quintana & Nibali have been consistent in this #Giro100 - between them they have attacked at every moment you're not supposed to #newschool
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 26.May 14:16, 2017
That 30 seconds will be really really hard to close in this situation .... this will cost in the decisive climb .... the anarki we hoped for yesterday came today :D
sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 26.May 02:55, 2017
Nibali for sure doesn't care much about the podium, is racing for the win. To do that he needs at least 2 more minutes on Doumulin, right now factoring in the final TT is virtually in second place.
Quintana is a little disappointing because he doesn't have the punch anymore in the mountains attack, without that no chance to get the 3 min on Doumulin and 1 on Nibali he needs to win this one
Doumulin just needs to not crack in the last 2 stages and can TT to victory
Koronin [Koronin] Friday 26.May 02:01, 2017
The bigger problem here for Quintana is that truthfully the Giro route is a little better for him even with all the TT kms than what the Tour route is this year. I'm not surprised Quintana is not at peak because he's trying the Giro/Tour double. However, I do not think that is the entire issue we are seeing. I think part of the issue we are seeing is Quintana's lack of leadership abilities.
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 25.May 22:21, 2017
Goon, yes Quintana is in fact a significantly better climber and I expected Dumoulin to be knocked out at the last two stages (even if i did not say that). But as you wrote, Quintana is not in his best shape. Todays attack attempts was a disaster. When Anacona gave him the perfect drawn at 7 km to go. then he got caught a minute later, i understood the fight was over.
BartVelo, I think Quintana is not that good at thinking :) ..however with 41s down to Nibali, he can't be safe enough to ride together.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 25.May 21:47, 2017
Quintana is not at his best right now, thats pretty clear ... I read somewhere, he wouldn't be at 100% here becaus of the tour .... I guess it's not QUIT that easy to win a GT :D
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 25.May 21:44, 2017
It appears Dumoulin did learn one lesson from the 2015 Vuelta. Do not chase down every attack. He did that at the Vuelta. Every time Valverde attacked he chased. He learned from that. Also glad to see these learn from their mistakes. You don't need to chase someone who is a couple minutes down on you. Today he let Pinot, Zakarin, Steven K, and a few others who weren't that close go.
Also nice to see Tejay win the stage. Maybe it will help a bit with his confidence. Still think he needs to reassess what his abilities and skills are and how they are best suited to a team.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Thursday 25.May 21:43, 2017
I must say that I'm surprised that Quintana isn't as good as I thought he would be. He is able to attack and gain a distance and then he falls back to a rythme that isn't high enough and even people like Reichenbach is getting him back. That says enough.
Both Nibali and Quintana have shown that they don't care about a podium spot otherwise they would have rode together to get Pinot and Zakarin back.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 25.May 21:39, 2017
Now we can conclude with that Doumolin needs a break down to loose this race ... he is best in the climbs, in the descents, best sprint of the favourites and by far best timetrailist ... and he do it all on his own .... if Dumoulin doesn't win this thing, it must be all time high worst disappointment .... think what this guy can do with Froome next year in TdF with a slightly better team around :)))
Marek .... I thought you said Quintana was so much better in the climbs ... I just pointed out he wasn't :)))
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Thursday 25.May 21:27, 2017
Well, ..what i said was: "I would be disappointed" (IF my scenario would happen), not that he "not deserve it".
Honestly I have been expected Dumoulin to consequently loose time on the last stages, based on his previous appearances in GT, ..and I think I'm not alone here :)
Now it looks like i have to pull back my words, and say that I'm rather disappointed with Quintana instead. If he can't distance Dumoulin on the hardest stages, and then does shitty TT in addition, then he definitely does not deserve to win Giro.
Quintana should maybe forget now the victory and start thinking of distancing Nibali and Zakarin instead, in order to keep his podium at the end.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 25.May 11:24, 2017
Hehe yeah Logreid .... i'd just LOOOVE something like this to be true :D ... and yeah, your predictions sounds boringly likely i'm afraid .... so the nightmare of a freakshow this looked like a couple of days ago, can be pretty ordinary .... but Let's see if someone a little further down the list can open up a show :))) someone like quick step and Jungels fex. Challange podium and leaders jersey :D sounds like a fun scenario :D
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Thursday 25.May 11:10, 2017
Alberto, Alberto you should be here... at least today... :D
I bet EVERYBODY in the peloton would need to stop as Tom did, not by any conspiracy theory BUT all scared with Pistolero in a stage like this one...:D
P.S. To me, there's only one rider in this race that can do something similar: his name's Vicenzo and i'm expecting a shark attack, today. At least, i hope... :)
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 25.May 10:51, 2017
As far as cycling goes, that's one of the better conspiracy theories I've seen, goon.
I think especially Nibali needs to start the final climb without Dumoulin today to be able to make up enough time before the TT, so my prediction is that we'll see the most serious attacks up the Pinei after Movistar and Bahrain have softened up Sunweb on the three first climbs.
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 25.May 10:20, 2017
Ok, so this was too craaaazy to comment, i can see that ..... my point is, and let's face it .... if Dumoulin stays with Nibali and Quintana on stage 16, ( not unlikely in my point of view ) todays short explotion stage would be a NIGHTMARE for sunweb and Tom Dumoulin. .... this new gaps looks much more controllable, and both Nibali and Quintana got something to loose now .... Dumoulin didn't have this shitting incident on purpos, but the situation looks more even, and took the edge of a potential HELL on stage 18 :D
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 24.May 23:58, 2017
It would be easyer to just drop i guess, but then he might loose his mentaly advantage. ... so this could be a way to give back time without looking weak :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 24.May 23:49, 2017
A wild thought comes to mind ..... bare with me on this one ... Just a little mind spinning .... could it be that Dumoulin did his shitting on purpos? ..... I mean, as a brilliant check out to calm his opponents down a little bit before tomorrows explosive stage ?
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 24.May 21:10, 2017
So ... what you are saying marek, if Dumoulin have to take a couple of more dumps underway here and still win the Giro becaus he is a sooooo fucking good timatrailist, he doesn't deserve it, and theres something wrong with this parcours? .... you know, becaus the only thing that parts Quintana and Dumoulin in the climbs so far, is a trip to the bathroom in the midle of a stage plus 10 seconds .... :D
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Wednesday 24.May 20:13, 2017
No doubts Dumoulin is a huge talent, and a good man. However, a Gran Tour in my opinion shall not be won by TT. Right now the time gap between Dumo and Nairo, on non-TT stages is 2:16 in Quintanas favour.
Tom is not a bad climber, I agree, but if he keeps loosing seconds on the next three stages, and being like 2 minutes behind, after stage 20, will get it back on stage 21 and win the Giro.. I will be disappointed. That would mean the Giro route was too easy.
Regarding waiting on each other.. I agree with Andy. I dont see a reason anyone should wait. This is a race, not a Sunday trip. Waiting for Quintana was a mistake. He went to fast and to wide in a switchback - 100% his fault, and he should have paid for that. Nobody waited fro Froome running up mt. Ventoux - it was team Skys fault the had no bike for him, etc.
Waiting should only be an option when extraordinary situations occur (like for instance train passage in Rubaix) and then the race usually gets neutralized.
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 24.May 09:27, 2017
Hahaha ... yeah he did .... I agree, this was a bit of an anticlimax compearing to the expectations, but as said, I guess it was too long, and ALOT of climbing togo ... and to those with less expectations for this stage, i guess they where right when they predicted this to be more of a "loose giro" stage rather than a "win giro" stage ..... but on paper it definitely was a win it ...... I think, ( if Dumoulin stays healthy ) theres two crusal stages, and one new guy for him to handle ... the st. Ulrich stage, a 137 km 5 climbs explotion, the TT and Nibali .... maybe Nibali is what scares him the most right now :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 24.May 01:06, 2017
The problem with seeing a Formigal/Catalunya type stage is those two stages had two specific riders, Contador and Valverde, talking and making plans before the two stages started and then executing to perfection. Those two riders are not here. Are there good tacticians here, yes, but Quintana is absolutely not one of them and I doubt would ever be in plans for something like that. Nibali, yes, maybe with say Landa or Zakarin or maybe even Steven K, but he doesn't have a strong team.
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Wednesday 24.May 00:28, 2017
Agree with both of you, a fierce pace tomorrow may be able to test Tom. I wasn't watching live but from talking to Andy and Partyfinn, they both said it was a bit of a meh stage. Not what was hoped for but roll on the next few days. A Formigal/Catalunya stage style may come into play depending on whether Sunweb can be fooled as quick as Sky have been on those occasions.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 24.May 00:19, 2017
For me, I can't see why the peloton should wait on Dumoulin. He did a mistake so he got the stomach bug. It's not like this is just as random as mechanicals. It looks like Quintana doesn't want to risk the Giro with a long attack yet, but he has to do soon. I really hope he goes all in on Thursday, but already tomorrow is a good opportunity to test the team to Dumoulin with fast pace at Aprica and Tonale as Logreid points out. They need to at least try, or this Giro will be remembered as a boring one compared to the last ones.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Wednesday 24.May 00:14, 2017
Shame for Tom, it's all a question of recovery now. And as far as that goes, tomorrow being the one breather this week is in his favour. However, if I was a DS of Movistar or Bahrain I'd set a hellish pace on the two first climbs tomorrow to maximize damage to Tom and his team.
Apart from the scenery, I found today's stage quite disappointing up until Tom's incident - but perhaps it was just too long for the kind of tactic Movistar was working towards. Obviously the incident played a big part in how the final mountain was raced, Quintana and Nibali would've gone earlier and utilized Amador/Anacona more if they were looking to drop Tom with an attack.
As far as the ethics goes it's yet another hard one. Kruiswijk up the road as BartVelo points out - how long do you wait?
Pozzovivo has never looked this good as far into a GT - hopefully me dropping in all fantasy teams has egged him on.
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 23.May 23:21, 2017
Movistar did set it up perfectly. With the way they had it set up you would have thought Quintana would have tried something. We all know Quintana is not a very good tactician at all, however I also do not think he has any idea how to read a race either.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Tuesday 23.May 18:07, 2017
Well, Movistar set up their move so that Quintana could attack on Stelvio and 3 guys waiting after it. For some reason the attack didn't happen. Perhaps Quintana wasn't confident enough to risk it. Otherwise I have no explanation for setting up an almost perfect game plan and not executing it.
The GC contenders were doubting what happened and what to do. They slowed the pace. They have shown for at least a minute or so some kind of sportmanship. Zakarin was the first one to attack and that drove up the speed. And I can understand them aswell. They were looking downhill and didn't see him. How long do you need to wait to continue?
Kruijswijk attacked. I like that. Unfortunately for him it indicated again that his top shape isn't there. Otherwise he wouldn't be dropped when Landa attacked.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 23.May 17:23, 2017
Good stage, but now I have the feeling that Movistar could have done more, or at least try to attack on Stelvio with Nairo since he had three team mates up the road, now he almost didn't use them at all. He may had failed, but he doesn't win if he doesn't try. Now I actually hope Nibali wins.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 23.May 17:16, 2017
He didn't look happy though .... without this shitting, he wouldn't loose much time at all on this stage .... well, it opened it up big time, and we're looking at one hell of a epic week 3 show :D
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 23.May 16:45, 2017
True. Looks like pro cyclists watching the race is more on the waiting side, but yet a tough call. As I mentioned days ago, they need to sit down and have clear rules and enforce them.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 23.May 16:23, 2017
Matt Slater on Twitter right now:
@mjshrimper 5 min
5 minutter siden
"Dumoulin ain't happy, seems to be riding OK, though, & is holding at 1'20". Absolutely appalling sportsmanship from his rivals."
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 23.May 13:36, 2017
Kruiswijk has been riding with a broken rib, which happened when he crashed in Yorkshire, according to Eurosport. Having broken one myself I find it incredible that he started, let alone be relatively competitive after two weeks. Some of these guys really are super human when it comes to blocking out pain. He has just taken the lead in the break as I type this. Hats off.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 23.May 12:21, 2017
Had to think a bit about whether to keep Kruiswijk and Mollema on the team when both have shown big signs of weakness so far. On the other hand, the upcoming stages are very different to the one-climb stages which have made the differences so far. Keeping them, but still especially worried about Mollema who like he's started to fade even earlier than usual.
In the end I've gone back on my words on Yates and put him on the team in place of Jungels who I think will struggle more and lose the white jersey today.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 23.May 09:43, 2017
Quintana is actually pretty desent down hill .... but if Nibali push limits, he should win back seconds on all .... question is, how far behind on the top ..... ? Or did the week 3 shape kicked in during the rest day :D many questions will be answerd today .... if Dumoulin keeps jersey, i think he win this thing if he stays on his bike :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 23.May 01:04, 2017
A 20km descent? That should be interesting. Riders like Nibali and Zakarin could get back some good time while the poorer descenders like Quintana and Pinot could shed chunks for time. Hope no serious crashes, unfortunately I do expect some crashes just because it's a descent finish. Also could be a great day to get into the break.
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 22.May 15:18, 2017
Oh my god .... what a monster the pore gc guys will face tomorrow ... 220 km with 47 km categorized climbing with a total average of 8% :D .... wow .... tomorrow is one of those days i will be glad i'm not a pro cyclist :D
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 21.May 22:30, 2017
In my humble opinion, it would be ok if there was business as usual and nothing else after all these insidence. .. No increasing of speed or waiting would be quit allright for me :))) for me these things is a part of the game :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 21.May 21:38, 2017
Dumoulin did NOT have to wait. Yes sportsmanship and all, but the unwritten rule is for mechanicals and definitely not for crashing of your own doing which is what Quintana did.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 21.May 16:32, 2017
Exactly. It showes who the bigger man is. Gerrans the same in ToN, and Edvald beat him at the line for the GC. Still he can smile and stand by the decision in the aftermath.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 21.May 16:24, 2017
I agreed with you on the movistar clearely increasing speed when SKY went down, and it must sting a little bit when Dumoulin is the guy that slowed the peleton ( Kelderman remember :D ) down, when Quintana crashed :D:D
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 21.May 16:00, 2017
Yeah, it's funny to see that we got two examples of fair play today. I'm perfectly fine With both and I liked the answers from Gerrans and Weening in ToN. They have a different view on things like that than the people arguing with me about it in here. (And todays accidents were on the riders to blame btw, no foreign objects)
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 21.May 09:10, 2017
I think that exactly what we are seing now .... what i ment with " he wasn't worried even " when Quintana went yesterday ..... he sat his pace and trust it to be good enough to limit lost ..... with that being said, he might be more afraid if/when the attacks comes much earlyer on the "several montain" stages coming up .... I think that is unavoidable, considering his big time gap, and let's see how he handles that in a couple of days :)))
Todays profile might be too easy for fun attack show, but Giro has surprised us before :D i'd love to be surprised today :D
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 21.May 03:05, 2017
Dumoulin can now afford to loose about 4 and a half to 5 minutes to Quintana and still have a chance to win in the TT. The biggest thing I hope Dumoulin learned from that Vuelta is to NOT chase riders who are down 7is minutes or more in the overall which was doing in that race. If I remember right he went after Valverde a few times who was several minutes down and was trying to have some fun after his "lost" week 2 of that Vuelta due to the shoulder injury.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 20.May 21:36, 2017
Lets us just hope this isn't a Kruijswijk last year dejavu ..... it's not though ... he is just too smart and cool ... I mean, he never looked worried even today, and he act like he is the bos .... Quintana can feel that .... let's see if Quintana can fight back the psycological part of this game ....
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 20.May 19:10, 2017
A lead of 2:47 now plus a TT where he will take a little over 2 minutes on Quintana. But he lost 4:46 to Quintana on the last mountain stage of the 2015 Vuelta. This is far from over. Plenty of tough stages left to take back minutes. Movistar will attack early soon, they have no choice.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 20.May 18:59, 2017
2.47 plus 30 km TT .... how can he lose this thing, when he climbs like this ?? Only question i have is weither he can manage several climbs in a row .... he need no team around obviously :D
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 20.May 12:43, 2017
SKY is talking about Thomas to the Tour ... actually they started that discussion the same day he crashed. ... but I guess they wanted to see how the TT went, and take it from there ..... but when he again lost a minute on stage 11 and behind the split on stage 12, enough was enough ..... understandable :D
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Saturday 20.May 10:16, 2017
I don't know what the Columbian tv-comentator is taking, but he should probably cut down to halv of it. Regardless of which canal you are watching you hear him yelling in the background :)
sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 20.May 06:43, 2017
Sky is probably trying to include Thomas in the Tour team by shortening is Giro. They have Landa to try to use for a win in the mountains.
Probably their preparation is not good for the Giro, I doubt Thomas would have battled for the win even without the crash (top 5 at best)
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 19.May 12:31, 2017
No surprise, Sky nice streak in Giro continues. Wiggo 2013 DNF, Porte 2015 DNF, Landa 2016 DNF and now Thomas 2017 DNF. I know Uran finished second in 2013, but Wiggo was without any doubt the captain that year.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 19.May 09:31, 2017
Yeah .... well, Marezcko was second yesterday, but I don't see him pass Gaviria any time soon ... and with Nizzolo out, and the abstens of great stage winners like Felline and Ulissi, you need to trust Nibali in week 3 .... not unlikely though ... actually, i expect it ..... Nibali looks better and better .... his TT finish was best of them all, and thats a pretty good sign for a week 3 shape underway .... and with his on paper descent skills, and his need to take back time, the Bormio stage looks like something he should really go for :))) so you will get your stage and podium gc eventually :)))
PS. I hope i didn't jinx anything now :)))
sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 19.May 06:08, 2017
Many of our best stage racers are not here.
It will be in the mountains either in a breakaway or a Nibali GC show. The only shot we have in the sprint it's with Marezcko
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Tuesday 16.May 23:01, 2017
I expected Nairo to loose significant time today but not that much. However don't be too excited about Tom.. yet. You can't win a GT by one great TT. So far Tom has been very strong in mountains, which he used to be in the first week. Now he has to defend himself in 2 more weeks of heavy riding, and with rather weak team.
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 16.May 21:00, 2017
I expect Quintana to shed major time to other riders on TTs. I more surprised when he does a decent one because I expect him to not do well on them. I expect guys like Contador or Nibali to do well or Purito to do horribly. I expected Pinot to do better.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Tuesday 16.May 20:44, 2017
Remember how the Vuelta went for Dumoulin when he got isolated in pretty much every stage the final week by the stronger climbers and their teams. Losing Kelderman might be the decider when it comes to his chances of winning in the end. And he will have one bad day which he can't afford. Movistar has the capability to tear him to pieces and they will try.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 16.May 20:40, 2017
The general predictions among "experts" was round a minute lost for Quintana today .... I agree that was rather optimistic on Quintanas behalf .... but still, for a guy that can do this ....
I think it's fair to expect a decent performance on this lumpy tecnical time trail koronin :))) this was under his best level for sure, and he will be very disappointed tonight .....
Koronin [Koronin] Tuesday 16.May 20:03, 2017
Am I the only one not surprised that Quintana lost that much time to Dumoulin? I am surprised Pinot did not do a better TT. I expected him to put time into Quintana today. I more or less though Dumoulin could put around 2 and a half to 3 minutes into Quintana. Quintana is not a good TTer and is not even in the top half the better TTers on the Movistar team.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 16.May 19:20, 2017
I am sure Quintana will get back ..... but, and this is a BIG but .... he must CRUSH Dumoulin in week 3 to stay ahead on 30 km flat TT ..... to be nice to Quintana, i think Quintana win this if he got 1.20 on Dumoulin into the TT .... that means he must beat him with 3.40 in the montains. .... thats posible of course, but very very hard concidering the way Dumoulin climbs ..... and even pace with only one thing in mind ...to limit the lost ..... yeah ... the scenario couldn't be better :)))
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Tuesday 16.May 18:48, 2017
Still a long way to go yet and personally i think Nairo will get it back. Remember, Nibali was 4:43 down heading into the final week last year and he still pulled it out of the fire.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Tuesday 16.May 18:01, 2017
To lose it, Dumoulin has to fall apart again, like he did in stage20 of the Vuelta. a couple of years ago. That was the first time he led a GT, that experience could make all the difference. He has to be a very strong favourite now, imo.
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 16.May 17:45, 2017
I was guessing Quintana to lose 3 minutes combined on both TTs.... but now he seems to lose at least 5 .... thats enogh for Dumoulin even with an half off day i would say .... we'll see how it goes :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 16.May 17:26, 2017
2.23 behind .... the scenario couldn't be better ... the best climber in the world vs the best timetrailist in the world .... and maybe Dumoulin is relatively closer to Quintana in the montains, than Quintana is to Dumoulin on the time trails ... aspecically a flat one as the Milano one ..... well, in Blockhaus he sertenly was :)))
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Tuesday 16.May 11:27, 2017
Woohoo - up to speed.
I agree with you Ole that ideally every incident like this in theory should result in a valiant impassé of the peloton, but as with the examples served up by Koronin you don't see that in the modern sport. Besides, where to draw the line on who to wait for? Three minutes for Thomas and Landa? Ten minutes for Kelderman to be medically assessed for whether he can go on?
I agree with the others who've pointed out that Movistar already had been riding hard at the front and I did not see a clear upping of the pace as a result of the crash. They seemed to merely be executing a pre-laid plan for Quintana to go early. Then again I might be biased as I ended up with the stage win and three riders I've kept out of my team and predicted wouldn't do well were the main victims in Thomas, Yates and Landa.
Given Dumoulin will take the jersey today I expect the lumpier stages to be breakaway wins. Given how he lost the 2015-Vuelta and his main lieutenant out I wouldn't rule out Sunweb letting someone like Polanc, Petilli, Conti, Cataldo or Hirt take the jersey from a breakaway to save energy for the final week.
It's not exactly bold, but my prediction is some fascinating fights for stage wins from breakaways this week with the GC-contenders riding as conservatively as the did in the first week barring Etna and Blockhaus. Quintana needs to perform a big balancing act in taking the jersey late in order to conserve energy for the Tour, but not too late so that Dumoulin or even Pinot are in close contention before the concluding tempo. Although Nibali and Kruiswijk underperformed on stage 9, I think especially the former will peak in the third week and is one of the few remaining contenders with the team and panache to cause chaos by going early or having his helpers blow the race apart. Zakarin and Pinot also among those who should save us from the calculated mountain stages from the last few tours.
No changes to the GC-riders of the Partykjeppen-team which is really unheard of in a GT.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Monday 15.May 18:58, 2017
I'm not gonna comment more on this matter now, but I'm not saying directly that they need to neutralize stages because of foreign objects etc. It's a bit more complex than that. The culture has changed recent years and I'm not very fond of it. As I mentioned in earlier posts, I miss the class and respect that was honored before. The riders got a lot of power and can change it if they really want.
Cancellara in the yellow jersey in the tour a few years back for instance. I didn't like it at the time because I didn't know better, and Hushovd had a chance to win the stage. In the aftermath I like the way he was thinking at the time although I'm not completely convinced if what happend that day was enough to do what he did.
Probably not the best scenario to compare with but his idea of "sticking it to the man" is worth respecting. You could ask if that would have happend if his own team were unharmed from the accidents that day, but I choose to believe it.
But lets enjoy cycling now, I'm done being serious!
Assassin [TheTrueAssassins] Monday 15.May 18:21, 2017
Tejay will do the Tour-Vuelta double Francisco, the beast will rise again! Never stop believing. I never thought Polanc would win another Giro Stage again, look what happened :)
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Monday 15.May 17:05, 2017
It wasn't supposed to make any change in my team but Dumoulin's performence forced me to drop Greipel for him, keeping only Gavíria for those two flat stages...
I'm in a pre-broken relation with Tejay. I tried everything to keep things going but it starts to get purely insane... :D
One very positive aspect: plenty of money to SF, next season...:)
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 15.May 14:21, 2017
As i saw it, Kelderman was it ? ... didn't even hit the bike directly, but lost his balance trying to awoid it .... maybe a little tuch though .... ok, so the bike stoped on the wrong side of the road, but sometimes shit happens, and this was one of those ..... I never even had neutralizing in mind when it happen .... I couldn't see any reckless behavior from any part in this matter .... so all in all, SHIT HAPPENS :)))
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Monday 15.May 13:12, 2017
It is easy to immediately blame the motorcycle.. especially since we have had a lot of frustrating accidents involving motorcycles recently.. but..
In this case the motorcycle was parked outside the road (behind the white line) and should be considered as a obstacle, not as a vehicle. The main fault is on team SUNWEB: 3 riders passed the motorbike, last man crashed. Why nobody warned him? It is the first mans responsibility to put the whole train behind in safety. He had a free view and must have seen the motorbike from a distance of a mile.
None of the Sky riders hit a motorbike, - they have been taken down by the bouncing last Sunweb rider that followed a wheel of a teammate.
Of course the motorbike is not quite innocent, but this is not a reason to ride like moron.
sker [Team Paracarri] Monday 15.May 04:45, 2017
The motorbike was a police one, not a regular race motorbike. The rider made a mistake stopping on the left and he probably didn't realize the moment the race was. In my opinion this time part of the fault is on the rider because it acted like a piece of road furniture.
I'm not a huge fan of neutralisations beacuse it's so difficult to implement it fairly, I think falls are parto of the race and avoid them is a skill (and yes sometimes just a matter of luck).
I would have wanted Thomas to be up there to fight for GC but there is nothing wrong for the race to go on, stopping is up to the riders class and is not somothing that could be forced by rules
Koronin [Koronin] Monday 15.May 01:59, 2017
It will never happen. Remember the Vuelta 2 years ago. Obstacle in the middle of the road that took out one of the GC riders. Wasn't marked and was run into. In that also also close to the end of the race and no one waited. That a reduced field sprint stage as well. Heck for that matter, the Vuelta stage that ended in the city of Murcia in the la Vuelta 2015, Peter was run into by a moto and the peloton did not wait for him. Plenty of examples of this being the way it's done.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 14.May 22:07, 2017
I got no problem understand that, BartVelo. But I think that in the GT's the riders should be somehow protected from "accidents" they can't control.
That combined with other teams pulling extremely hard to benefit maximum of the situations. It makes the sport moving backwards in my opinion.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Sunday 14.May 21:59, 2017
And begin tsaid that there aren't enough camera's.....
I have already seen this Giro on some occations that there were too many motor cycles and cars passing riders in situations that they shouldn't have been there, so there is still a problem with that.
BartVelo [BartVelo] Sunday 14.May 21:57, 2017
@Ole, the big problem would be the implementation of such rules and ensuring that those rules are applied. There aren't enough camera's to register everything that's happening everywhere in the race. Same goes for commissionars, not enough. If there's a rule you want it to be applied in the right terms for every race.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 14.May 21:48, 2017
Adam Yates went down too, Dumoulin was an inch away, and they have nothing to do with SKY. I understand that you want to defend Movistar like it was your own child, but the riders and teams are distancing themselves from the unwritten rules and sportmanship that they were proud of for decades.
I don't care about SKY or Thomas, but it's the signals this sends. Movistar had the golden opportunity to bury the hatchet today. That would have been pretty epic if you ask me.
And I remember other examples of crashes etc. But the big difference is when the riders get obstructed by stuff like the motorbike today. Crashes are sadly a part of cycling, but when the riders are innocent it's sad to see that Grand Tours is lost because of it.
Especially in Grand Tours there should be an extra safety-net for riders and teams being obstructed by foreign objects or moments of stupidity, like today. Just like Aragonite says.
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 14.May 21:07, 2017
Races get nuetralized for safety not for crashes. Weather, tacks ect. The unwritten rules are to not attack the race leader when he has a mechanical. However, Sky actually HAS attacked the race leader when he had a mechanal....la Vuelta with 60 KM to go and Valverde punctured. As soon as Sky had that confirmation they attacked. Valverde was race leader at the time. They also attacked during the 2012 Tour when Valverde crashed as soon as they had confirmation that it was Valverde. Thus there is bad blood between Movistar and Sky. However, in this case there was also less than 15KM to go and they were already riding hard on the front. They aren't just going to stop riding before the base of the climb because of a crash. No one stopped riding two years ago at la vuelta when there was a major crash. I'm sure you remember the stage in which Nibali was tossed from the race for holding onto the car because he was caught behind the crash.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Sunday 14.May 20:18, 2017
Any incident between bikes and motorbikes in a bike race has to be the fault of the motorbike.
Also agree with Ole regarding class. It's such a shame that an epic three week event is more or less decided by one moment of stupidity
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 14.May 19:31, 2017
They said that if the motorbike has to stop, it's supposed to stop on the right side of the road, not the left. And there were a big Battle for positions at this stage of the race, heading into the mountain. The riders use the whole road at this time.
So the fact that he stopped on the wrong side and at a crucial place at the race should be enough to neutralize the stage. You can't seriously blame the riders for hitting Objects that's not supposed to be there. They got a job to do, as do the People running the race, and the latter didn't do their job today, causing shit.
It's sad to see how other teams do their best to take advantage of it too. Too much of that happening. I see that some of the unwritten rules are lost and forgotten, but show some class.
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 14.May 19:07, 2017
Craziness is correct. However the motorbike did not run into anyone, the rider went into it. Should it have been there, probably not, but it was stopped. Is that really any different than the parked cars on the side of the road in parking spaces during la Vuelta when they are in the middle of cities? That seems very typical for that race.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 14.May 19:03, 2017
Wow .... this was all damage day for team BMC ( me :D ) .... and SKY i guess :D what todo to recover from this ?? Is it even posible ? ...... I don't think so .... forgotten about it already :D
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 14.May 18:58, 2017
The motorbike shouldn't be there, but to be completely fair it was simply stopped on the side of the road. Kelderman in the heat of the moment misjudged the space available and caused the crash.
Shame on the motorbike but it's not like it hit the rider while riding.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Sunday 14.May 17:38, 2017
They need to figure something out when it comes to stuff that happend today. At least consider some kind of a neutralization until the riders who hit the motorbike can get up and get rolling again. Movistar just go super hard when it happens and benefit a lot from it. The consequences are way too big.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 14.May 14:37, 2017
Ah ... Henrik " FOR et slag" Bjørnstad as expert today :))) Former professional golf player on the PGA tour, and current expert comment on the golf broadcasts :))) nice .... :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Sunday 14.May 07:08, 2017
Noticed it was already opened up for changes. Made one change already due to having screwed up which Movistar domestique I should have picked for my team for the first set of days. Not sure I'll make any other changes before the 2nd rest day though. Today nice fun stage and am really happy for Gorka getting his first ever Grand Tour stage win.
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 14.May 06:08, 2017
16 riders for GC as it stands (18 if you want to include Rui Costa and Kangert but they don't seem to have wat it takes already). I wonder how many willl be still there tomorrow
Mrcycling [TeamPlussbankBMC] Friday 12.May 19:39, 2017
What?? How can I only have 8 riders on my fantasy team? Didn´t notice it until now that Nibali is missing from my squad.. Can anyone check if it says that I have 8? I´m number 6 at the moment.
sker [Team Paracarri] Friday 12.May 19:24, 2017
Another quick question about manager strategy: my thought is that I should focus on GC because of the bonuses and I went for 7 GC guys and just 2 sprinters. When one of the GC guys goes out of contention I can pick up a good stage hunter or another sprinter.
Does it make sense? Or it's too unbalanced?
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 11.May 15:30, 2017
Well, then I hope the peloton can take it easy and let Stuyven and Dillier fight for the win, had actually Dillier as a dark horse when I looked at today's stage yesterday, but hope of course on Stuyven if the break makes it.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 10.May 19:36, 2017
That will not affect points there, except that you will get more points for each day he has the jersey. It is only the GC points you lose, and nobody expect Gaviria to be top 30 in Milano.
sker [Team Paracarri] Wednesday 10.May 19:27, 2017
Guys if I change a rider position in the rest day do I loose only GC bonus points or also the ones for other jerseys?
Let's be more specific if I move Gaviria from 80% up to 100% how does this affect the ciclamino jersey bonus points?
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Wednesday 10.May 11:50, 2017
Nothing to argue about this, that cannot happen, it's too fu***** dangerous... Not good news to Vicenzo...:(
I liked the several Astana attacks, too bad none worked, i liked Ilnur performence and i LOVED Gavíria's riding in the front of peloton until the last 15 kms... maybe he will be less powerful than his opponents today BUT we could see how happy he was with his pink jersey and how brave he was, honouring his title! :)
Because of that and to honour his performence yesterday i give you all this epic song (maybe too old to the majority BUT always a pleasure to someone like me who lived the 80's and 90's so damn well...:D
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 9.May 23:59, 2017
Let me illustrate what 40 km an hour is ...
If you standing on top of a chair, tip forward face first towards the concrete. ... your face have a speed of 25 km an hour when it hits :D
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 9.May 23:32, 2017
So, where to draw the line ? .... he was fysical with him .... pretty dangerous in 40 km an hour i will say ..... maybe it didn't look like much at first glance, but if you think about it ..... if this was alowed, where do you draw the line ?
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 9.May 20:36, 2017
In my opinion Rosa should also be DQ'd. It looks like he started it, but it is of course wrong of Moreno to react like he did. He would though never do that without the behavior to Rosa.
sker [Team Paracarri] Tuesday 9.May 20:12, 2017
Javi Moreno made a big mistake. Bahrain lose an important piece, yet not an essential one.
Also sad that Dennis had to withdraw, I expected good results from him on the TT
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 9.May 18:53, 2017
Andy .... Jungels might hold jersey all week now, but stage 6 and 8 opens up for Yates in first hand i guess .... I figure he would like to chase bonus seconds on stages like those, you know, becaus of TTs coming up .... so we'll see how it goes :))
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 8.May 21:08, 2017
New respect for this guy :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Monday 8.May 09:09, 2017
First test for the favourites. ... Etna, a 18 km 6.6% mtf ..... I guess this cliché suits for a stage like this on the 4th day of a GT .... you can't win giro on Etna, but you can very well lose it ..... you better be in shape :D
Marek_c [Passionforbiking] Sunday 7.May 20:49, 2017
About crashes in TdF, 5 years ago...
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 7.May 18:29, 2017
And what a trust Gaviria showed Richeze when Sbaragli went ... sat all quit and waited for Richeze to react .... I guess it's not a coincidence he is seen as one of the best leadouts in the business :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 7.May 15:04, 2017
Ok .... Still ... it was way wors 5 10 years ago .... I think it's an improvement in the crashing department these past couple of years in GTs, and maybe a little wors in the classics ? Or is it Just my bad memories :D
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 7.May 11:04, 2017
There was no abandons before the mountains in the Tour, but it was a lot of crashes, especially the first days. It hasn't been very many crashes the two first days here, but Tiralongo was for instance down yesterday.
goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 7.May 09:31, 2017
Was it TdF last year with surprisingly few craches and no abandons first 10 12 days or something .... something seems to have been improved in the " big crash early in GTs" area .....
sker [Team Paracarri] Sunday 7.May 04:08, 2017
Bennet doesn't look in a good form either, oday was one of the first to be detached. Maybe is targeting late race stages.
Gaviria seems not at 100% either, even thought is sprint was damaged by the contact with Ewan (who probably would have won actually).
This small gap for GC guys are more meaningful from a psycological point of view, this Giro is going to have huge gaps between contenders
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Saturday 6.May 20:33, 2017
Yes, not a good start for both but better now than later...
13 and 20 secs aren't a big deal, they have plenty of time to get in position. They don't need to do any additional effort, I think, just let the mountain make his natural selection...:)
Personally, I'm more concerned with the lack of power from Gaviria...hope to see something better tomorrow in a short stage..
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 6.May 18:48, 2017
Too bad ... good effort though .... both Kruijswijk and Zakarin a little behind .... not necessarely a bad thing for the manager team ... it means both must do something to catch up .... more point picking ... maybe ... can also affect week 3 of course ... so we'll see how it goes :)))
BartVelo [BartVelo] Saturday 6.May 18:15, 2017
I thought they returned in peloton, but that peloton must have been split in two pieces and they joined the second peloton. Otherwise I can't explain the 20 sec gap.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 6.May 10:30, 2017
Lukas Pöstlberger .... you hardly know he exists, and now he carries pink in the Giro :D well, now we know :D ... pretty strong guy with some really good results this season ... 15th in Dwars doors and 5th in E3 .... not the first time this has happen in the Giro though ... on stage 1 in 1975 Knut Knutsen ( 1972 olympic track champ 4 km pursuit ) was leadout for pierino Gavazzi .... he pulled so hard that the peloton couldn't follow and he won .... Knutsen was 25 years old at the moment, so is Pöstlberger, Knutsen was in his second year as prof, so is Pöstlberger ... some simularities there :D ... Knutsen was one of the best timetrailist in the world and a great allrounder for some years round 1972 - 81
I actually remember this ..... ooooh i'm old :D
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Saturday 6.May 03:16, 2017
Thanks, sker, that declares it of Senni. Simply too good for a climber to be as bad as Pelucchi. With Bennett being the second best Bora sprinter, behind Sagan, I don't expect much of Pelucchi. Next to his lack of skills. He's only here, because of being an Italian.
sker [Team Paracarri] Saturday 6.May 01:20, 2017
Senni is ill (bronchitis) but decided to start the Giro anyway hoping to get better.
Pelucchi just can't climb even small hills at a pro rider level, so I think that can maybe be there for stage 3 or 7. Old fashioned sprinter
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 5.May 23:46, 2017
To be fair to Pelucchi, he has done decent this year, but only in races with pancake profile. I guess Bora hope he will survive stage 3, 5 and 7 the first week, but given his recent form, he will struggle on all those.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Friday 5.May 23:30, 2017
Anyone here knows why on earth Pelucchi is part of the pro peloton? I know he's a bad climber, but losing 9.5 minutes in this stage is just incredibly bad. Yes, Senni lost more, but in his case it could have been an incident or working as a domestique.
boris03 [Cycling lions] Friday 5.May 16:05, 2017
What do you guys think about playing on breakaway guys in part 2 and part 3?
Pinot was amazing sprinter in Tour of Alps so I believe he will be favorite for stages 6&8...
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 5.May 14:23, 2017
Besides, he is a great point picker and a desent gc ... yeah, he was undropable. ... I guess Pinot is undropable also, but I found a way :D His down hill ( which will be important on the queenstage ), unconsitency in GTs and his partisipation in TdF in a couple of months gave me a reason to take my chances .... Zakarin is my little joker then :)))
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 5.May 13:50, 2017
I see Adam Yates carrying the youth jersey all the way from Etna to Milano. That's 18 stages * 10 pts/stage = 280 pts, so he was undroppable for me.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 5.May 13:32, 2017
No, unfortunately. To be honest, struggle to see him top 5 in Milano, and then I maybe get more points on other riders the first week since Jungels is a slow starter in the big mountains. Last year it was 2x ITT first week, so then I had a reason for keeping him on team.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 5.May 13:23, 2017
Hehehe i droped Pinot .... he went from 125 via 100 down to 80 and out in the process :D .... ooooh i'm gonna regret that .... I am the only one in the extended overview without Pinot :D
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 5.May 12:58, 2017
Is Pinot on 125 a bet? For me he was an easy choice there. I have faith in 4 GC-riders, Quintana, Nibali, Pinot and Dumoulin. Needed at least one more, so tried Landa. But with so many GC-riders on startlist, it is really a bet whoever I take, should maybe have tried Kruijswijk, but after Yorkshire-crash I don't know what to expect of him on Etna.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 5.May 12:53, 2017
Closed here now, but still chance to enter for FC here: http://firstcycling.com/forathread.php?f=5314
Biggest bet apart from no Sky is Cheekbones-Tom and Thibaut at 125, hoping for a wild Giro.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 5.May 12:14, 2017
Still making my mind up on weights, but so many GC-contenders this year that I'm going heavy in and rather switching to more stage win-based after first or second rest day as people falter.
The big bet of neither Landa nor Thomas doing well will probably make 100 places difference one way or another.
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Friday 5.May 12:13, 2017
wow, very similar with southern europe, today...even better it seems because of some grey clouds here...:)
LosBrolin, waiting for your team...:) you need to have TvG at 100%, min., after such a hard battle for him in fantasy...:)
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 5.May 08:16, 2017
Very off topic ..... but this is so sensationally that it needs to be spread all over the world :D .... I went to work in my shorts today ... 20° c + ..... clear blue sky .... no cold wind ..... WHAAAAAT ?? ..... This can only come from a guy living in western Norway :D
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 4.May 23:33, 2017
Hard enough to find 9 guys to be comfortable with, but to put them in order was even harder .... aspecically from 100 and down .... well, now it's only to cross fingers :D
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 4.May 22:25, 2017
If Landa has is 2015 form and is healthy he can podium, but I just don't trust him. I agree TvG also can podium IF he rides at his best for the entire 3 weeks. I don't trust him either. Truthfully I trust Landa more than TvG.
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Thursday 4.May 20:31, 2017
Major doubt: should I trust Landa? If he manage to get 2015's performence he'll be a lion in the mountains...:)
I have until tomorrow to decide between him and Greipel... yes, one more GC or one sprinter and this make all the difference about the roles to give...
LosBrolin [JuhaMieto] Thursday 4.May 10:24, 2017
No need for translation and it's surely as good as the feltet one, if not even better :)
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 4.May 08:54, 2017
Not to mention van Garderen :D he sounds really PISSED in his interviews ... and wanna show the world he can podium a GT .... and at his best throughout 3 weeks, i think he can :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 4.May 08:38, 2017
Koronin ... yeah, I guess Landa is the biggest question mark in the favourite group .... you know, becaus of his potential ..... if he turns out being in his best shape suddenly, he is a big time podium candidate, and maybe the only one that can challange Quintana in the decisive climbs here .... so a little scary droppings there :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 4.May 08:20, 2017
You can't find a better course description anywhere online i'm sure :)))
goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 4.May 08:10, 2017
Emil Axelgaard wrote previews for cyclingquots last year .... i'm sure that rings a bell ? ..... he wrigt the same shit still, but in danish on "Feltet", a cycling magasin :))) very good actually .... I wouldn't mention him if i didn't knew almost all the nerds in here read his work pre every race :)))
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 4.May 01:25, 2017
Last year I got 2nd on the Giro, however I do not expect the same thing this time around. I've got a combination of GC riders and riders I know I'll be changing out after the first rest day (well 2nd since the first one is after 3 stages and I don't think counts). My line up includes 1 Dutch, 2 Colombians, 2 Italians, 1 Brit, 1 Australian, 1 German, and 1 Russian. Strangely enough no Spaniards......hmmmmm....may have to fix that I ALWAYS have a Spaniard on my team. The biggest reason I don't have a Spaniard on my team at the moment is I don't trust Landa.
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 3.May 22:17, 2017
Axelgaards favourite : Quintana
Main contenders : Nibali and Kruijswijk
Winning candidates : Zakarin, Thomas and Pinot
Let me see if i can guess his outsiders .... Yates, Landa, Van Garderen, jungels, Dumoulin and Mollema .... I am not sure how many he picks in that category, but 6 sounds about right :)))
I think he got a 5th category with some joker also .... and thats where riders like Dennis, Costa, Amador, Pozzovivo, Formolo, Carthy, Dombrowski, Firsanov and what not turnes up :D let's see if Igor Anton will be mentioned also .... you know, to make sure non is forgotten :D
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 3.May 18:53, 2017
My giro team after reading Axelgaards fine course description ( Thanks Emil .... well done ) got me a team with 2 colombians, 2 Dutches, 2 english, 1 german, Italian and a french guy ..... I miss a spanish guys it seems :D too bad we only got 9 spots to pick from :D .... well, thats the game :))) who can guess my exact team so far ? The dutches can make it wrong :D
The Dutches by the way .... 3 of top 10 biggest favourites in this race .... not bad for a contry below the sealevel :D
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 3.May 12:13, 2017
Then the written rules should be changed in my opinion, as they make it seem you get the bonus for keeping them put and it's not clear that you get 0 points for GC if you move riders around.
At least that was my initial understanding by reading them. But it makes sense, otherwise everyone has the same team in the alst week^^ I like the idea with lowest role during the entire race.
Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 3.May 12:05, 2017
From Le Tour and onwards I think we should do a little GC-update for the manager. If you change spot for a rider inside your team, then he should get GC-points for the lowest role/% you had him on.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Wednesday 3.May 11:36, 2017
GC points only for never "touched" riders as you wrote. Say you have Quintana on 100 the first week, and move him up to 150 the second week. Then you will not get any GC points for Quintana. He has to stay on same position all 3 weeks to get GC points.
johnjackjoe [JohnJackJoe Racing] Wednesday 3.May 11:17, 2017
So GC points only for my final team?
and the bonus only if I never touched them during the rest days?
Or GC points only for never "touched" riders?
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Monday 1.May 23:55, 2017
Good contests is always interesting and could make the race more fun for regular spectators, but this suggestion is in my opinion disrespectful considering the recent events in Tour of Gila.
Thankfully the riders didn't hesitate to speak their mind on this matter and hopefully they won't go through With these plans. If they do, I'm scared of the young italians that won't hesitate risking their health in order to get more TV-time and a few euros in the pocket.
Ole A.Fikerud [The Rockets] Monday 1.May 23:13, 2017
Looks like the organizers have made a new contest just days before it all starts. "Best decender", haha. Not very shocked that it happens in Italy, but come on.. There's been too much crap going on lately so the timing on this is off, to say the least.
Pirelli the sponsor. Maybe they think it's formula one or something.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 29.Apr 10:47, 2017
You can change riders after stages 9 and 15, not after stage 3.
You can change as many riders as you want, but that is probably not a good strategy as you will lose out on GC points in the end.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Saturday 29.Apr 09:16, 2017
Fantasy Giro Manager rules and entry opened here:
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 28.Apr 09:41, 2017
I, like Koronin, never get to watch races as they happen. And sometimes I rely on CyclingTorrent's selection from British Eurosport, and I have to say that I would've preferred Rob Hatch and his spunky Italian pronunciations for the Giro, Aragonite/Assassin. Even though the double entendre of Carlton Kirby is comedy gold from time to time.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Friday 28.Apr 09:33, 2017
Details on Giro fantasy manager-subgame will be up either tonight or tomorrow, draft will be held on the evening of Wednesday May 3rd. Sorry for lateness, will be the last instance for quite a while.
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 26.Apr 15:50, 2017
He does have his favourites, thats for sure. Louis Meintjes, and Iljo Keisse are another two. Thing is he can't even id his favourites, so id'ing the ,no chance. Has to be the worst at picking riders in a finish, you are better off turning the sound off and going solo. Amazing he has kept the gig so long.,
Aragonite [TORA TORA TORA] Wednesday 26.Apr 14:01, 2017
British Eurosport revamping its Giro(and Tour)coverage. Every stage covered from start to finish. Looks like they have ditched Carlton Kirby, and the main presenter is to be Jonathan Edwards(ex Triple Jump olympic champ and WR holder). Who is evidently a cycling RR nut. Kelly, Flecha, Hayles, and Stephens still part of the team. Best of all Brian Smith to take an expanded role giving an insight into race tactics, and post race analysis,
All in all sounds promising.
goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 22.Apr 18:53, 2017
They should be correct ... the " riderspoints " showes also the gc bonus .... try that :))) btw ... I asked Tomas if we could Split up the riderspoints in 3 columns in the GTs .... one for each period .... didn't get any aswers though ....
goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 18.Apr 14:08, 2017
Your gc riders MUST stay at same % throughout the whole race ..... if they do, you get 4× the result score ... winner get 400 second gets 320 and so on ... the percentage you got your rider on, is in play of course .... changing of riders on the rest day ... max 2 changing days that is .... sometimes or at least once we had 3 rest days, becaus of som logistics. ... Giro last year was it ?
MiguelSimoes 35 [Pro Cycling Team 35] Tuesday 18.Apr 13:49, 2017
Can someone explain me how the competition works at Giro?? I was adding the points of some riders, and the points in the page "riderpoints" was different of points I added. I added points of riders with "normal" (100%) function.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Monday 13.Feb 14:14, 2017
HELLO all new and returning users! I've started getting my cycling fever on again now that the Omloop Het Nieuwsblad is getting close.
Just letting you know that we'll have our usual and separate Grand Tours-fantasy tournament for all three GTs this year as well - up to 22 participants go head to head in auctions one evening a few days before the start of the GT to assemble the team which will get the highest return in FC-points. Rules here:
I'll be back with the date for the auction plus sign-up sheet about 3-4 weeks before the Giro starts. No-shows will have to motorpace Tejay for eternity.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 24.Nov 18:50, 2016
Is Pinot confirmed from FDJ? Read that Bardet also want to ride, but not certain he is allowed to. The Giro will be the best GT next year just like this year.
Koronin [Koronin] Saturday 29.Oct 03:14, 2016
From what was said at Movistar's press conference today it sounds like Quintana wants to try the Giro/Tour double. Valverde wants to go back to his usual, typical Ardennes, Tour, Vuelta schedule. I do wonder if they (sepifically Movistar management and Valverde) have looked at the Tour's course and realize how well suited it is to Valverde this year. 10 years ago this course would make him the favorite. At 37 this course could give him a 2nd podium, but I am not sure he is capable of winning it even though as a fan of his I would LOVE to see him win it. This schedule gives him one other thing a shot at history at the Vuelta. There are two pieces of history he is very capable of getting at the Vuelta. 1 more green jersey and 1 more podium tie records for the most ever at the Vuetla for a rider.
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 28.Oct 14:46, 2016
Froome says it's unlikely he'll do the Giro.
Nairo seems interested in the Giro/Tour double.
Valverde wants to go back to his old schedule with Ardennes, Tour and Vuelta.
goon1221 [BMC] Friday 28.Oct 14:27, 2016
Yes Francisco :))) among others .... This race SHOULD include top notch and nothing less :))) i hope Froome and SKY see it in the same way in a couple of months or so :)))
Francisco [K92-União Ciclista] Friday 28.Oct 12:36, 2016
I hope controll freak, cowards, risk and such will flood the comment fields around these next months, to maybe trigget SKY a little bit :)))
If i understood well, my comment was under your sight, goon!
Mr Christopher Froome, if you like Giro's parcours that much, why don't you give a try and make a Giro-Tour approach, next season?
Let me see, who had the guts to do it recently?...
Humm... Alberto, yes! As Alberto Contador did, recently... :D
Am i saying he's not a top rider? No, for sure i'm not that stupid. He's a great rider and seems a great guy, too, according to some very noble acts he showed in past races!
Am i saying this because i thought this could help Alberto's result in the Tour? Of course, i thought it but, BELIEVE ME, i don't think that it's crucial to see Alberto getting a top result in Paris.
In my homble opinion, Froome will never get the max "respect", unless he starts aiming other goals, unless he leaves his always predictable program.
By other words, being more an old school rider and not so much a lab machine. Hope don't be misunderstood, as i said i found him a great rider BUT i would like to see him challenging himself...
Alberto will proceed my Captain, no matter who's the opponent!
Even if he had ride in WRR this year... :D
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 27.Oct 18:35, 2016
I like the Chambery and Galibier-stage in the Tour, that's it (+ start in Mondorf on stage 4). Well, yes, the Giro is missing some medium mountain stages, but it's still so much better than the Tour, and with the usually weather, this should be interesting. Pinot as the favorite? Would love seeing him winning, but still never been close to win a GT, although he was really good this year before Dauphine. The rider I hope win is Quintana, much better to do the Giro-Vuelta double than being second in the Tour once again to Froome.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 27.Oct 15:02, 2016
-The captains of Sky, Movistar, Orica and Trek are still unknown
-Nibali riding for a new team with seemingly worse support than during his previous two victories (at least 2016)
-Aru not yet having been consistent for three weeks plus awful TTer
Barring the choices of the aforementioned teams (could be interesting for Mollema) I actually see Pinot as the biggest favourite as of now.
Too many missing stages for the Tour yet to call for me. Froome will put at least a minute into everyone on stage five and Rosa will hammer everyone into submission on the remaining big mountain stages. Liking stage 13 and 15, hope to have more medium mountain stages.
My main prediction for the Tour is Bardet falling/failing in the crosswinds/bonking on stage five and falling way behind - redeeming his (and my) Tour with a win into Chambery on stage nine.
Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 27.Oct 10:58, 2016
Logreid: How do you rate the Tour parcours when you're not happy with this one? Looks like a good route for my new hero, Jungels also, even though he will struggle with Etna and Blockhaus that early, if he decides to give the Giro an another try. But with Nibali, Aru and Pinot probably on start, the GC-fight should be good. Hopefully Landa, and maybe Valverde or/and Quintana also.
Logreid [JohnGadretPartykjepp] Thursday 27.Oct 10:25, 2016
As per everyone else here, even with almost 70 kilometers of ITT and the potential glory of a Giro-Tour-double with the 100th Giro - I can't see a potentially wet and backloaded Giro fitting into Sky's spreadsheets.
Not an impossible Giro for Big Tom, most of the biggest climbs are pretty steady. 16th and 18th plus possibly also 20th stage look perfect for other teams wearing slighty weaker teams/climbers down however - but might still be in the balance with the concluding ITT.
I find the parcours to be ok, would've preferred more of the medium mountain stages which have been very entertaining the last years pluss a proper sterrato stage.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 27.Oct 06:05, 2016
Nice-Romandie-Dauphiné as their pre Tour goals (like the time points in a TT) and the Vuelta as preparation for next season. And maybe their home races in the UK. Others are completely irrelevant or only for usage for the rest of the team, because a squad needs to have 25-30 riders and not ~10.
Koronin [Koronin] Thursday 27.Oct 03:12, 2016
I agree with Viktor86. I also don't think Sky cares what public opinion is. It appears the only thing they care about is the Tour and maybe the Dauphine. Contrast that with the exact opposite from Movistar who seem to target any and every race they can find a way to target and then target a ton of goals in those races.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Thursday 27.Oct 01:22, 2016
I don't think Sky really cares about the public opinion. They stick with their plans, unless riders are getting injured, sick or suspended. And that plan is Froome for the Tour and whatever any substitute for the Giro, Thomas, Poels, Henao or whom it may be.
Koronin [Koronin] Wednesday 26.Oct 22:33, 2016
Quintana said a few weeks ago he wants to do the Giro/Tour double this year. So I'm thinking Contador will line up at the Tour as the favorite if both Quintana and Froome go to the Giro first. I'm with Viktor86 though I can't see Sky letting their top GC Tour guy go to the Giro and not being 100% for the Tour.
Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Wednesday 26.Oct 22:11, 2016
Like Sky would accept their main GC contender will the team leader in the Giro instead of the Tour. And the Giro isn't a good race for control freaks like the people at Sky.
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 26.Oct 21:38, 2016
Yeah, but then again ... I would love to see the elite go for the 100th edition of this fantastic race and leave an average TdF to the next best guys this year .... I mean, there's always a 2018 :D. ..... FOR ONCE let another GT get the spotlight :)))
Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Wednesday 26.Oct 20:52, 2016
67 km of time trialling, froome will appreciate that. but its a brutal course alltogether with all of that climbing, stages 14-21 are all hard. it would fatigue him a lot and he wouldnt line up in france as the GC favorite. if froome does the giro then quintana will probably win the tour. froome knows that and wont risk it, i think
Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 26.Oct 19:49, 2016
Froomie on twitter:
goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 26.Oct 18:40, 2016
Brutal course for the 100th edition :))) two brutal top finishes first week .... No getting into shape here :)))