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2017/2018 FANTASY comments [newest on top]

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 21.Jan 14:56, 2018
It was a minor error for adding of points for SFWC, since it added to this weeks WC-score (none). Fixed.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 21.Jan 14:38, 2018
"We just have to be patient to get it in the score" <-- :)

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 21.Jan 13:56, 2018
It is double points. We just have to be patient to get it in the score.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 21.Jan 12:52, 2018
I'm sorry ... gotta ask .... didn't world championship ski flying count in the manager game ? ... I even thought it count double.... can't see Tande collect his points .... Congratz to him by the way ... well done, and soooooo F'ing deserved :)))

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 2.Jan 12:54, 2018
City Events for Alpine kind of fucked up right now. Will be fixed once on a proper computer.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 28.Dec 15:30, 2017
Too bad Boris ... You could really put together some powder for this period.... well, unless your guys loose value, you still have a great Olympics to look forward too:)))

boris03 [Cycling lions] Thursday 28.Dec 12:26, 2017
It was confusing to see 995/1100 but there was rule choose 15 athletes within the budget of 1000... So I can now kill myslef because I had chance to keep Kraft, put Hirscher and Kristoffersen :(

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 28.Dec 12:24, 2017
Yes. Sorry if that wasnt clear. But when you made your changes you had the top value always with "money used" / "out of total".

If it makes it any better you will get it back for the next window...

boris03 [Cycling lions] Thursday 28.Dec 12:22, 2017
Wait... That means I had a budget of 1100 for this window not of 1000?

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 28.Dec 12:01, 2017
You yourself boris03 have the highest budget of ALL teams in the game. Since your athlete's jumped so much up in value.

boris03 [Cycling lions] Thursday 28.Dec 11:28, 2017
How some players have teams with budgets more than 1000???

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 28.Dec 10:53, 2017
Closed down while searching for a display bug.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Tuesday 26.Dec 18:32, 2017
That's why the system handle it like that ;)

boris03 [Cycling lions] Tuesday 26.Dec 17:27, 2017
Yeah... but one athlete for 60 is may be better than 2 for 30 :)

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 26.Dec 15:04, 2017
You might as well pick Schlirenzauer as your 15th guy worth 30 ... can't hurt .. :D
He will participate in the 4 hills coming up :)))

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 26.Dec 10:59, 2017
having only 14 would be a disadvantage for you anyway. when my budget is $105 with 2 open spots, the system only allows me to pick a $75 athlete because it knows i need a minimum of $30 for the last spot

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 26.Dec 10:33, 2017
no, the rules say you have to fill up all 15 spots

boris03 [Cycling lions] Tuesday 26.Dec 10:12, 2017
Can you have 14 athletes in team?

Tomas [Second Coming] Wednesday 20.Dec 22:09, 2017
As long as you dont fill up the last spot, then you can to around as you want. I know its not optimal, still it works... I couldnt spent more hours on it right now after my tep first tries turnes into shit since I?m coding on the fly.

goon1221 [BMC] Wednesday 20.Dec 20:36, 2017
I suggest a "save" button on the game
... soooooo f..... cumbersome when you need to start all over again if you want just one other athlet after filling up the team

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 18.Dec 21:10, 2017
Opened up to make changes!

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 15.Dec 19:00, 2017
Transfers will be opened up sunday night, or atleast before monday morning, after we the athlete prices has been updated once again. Then teams will be able to juggle in/out within their 6 possible changes up till closing time for part II on Dec 28th.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 14.Dec 16:19, 2017
Tiril Eckhoff has gone wors shooting-vice after she "fixed" her eyes :D ... bad doctor :D

Nathan [CT Glory] Monday 11.Dec 16:29, 2017
When will the transfers open up?

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 9.Dec 14:50, 2017
Again ... Klæbo .... WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY MADE OF..... I haven't seen ONE mistake from this guy so far this season ...

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 3.Dec 13:18, 2017
Sprinter Klæbo wins a 30 km race in one of the hardest courses on the cross country calendar .... SOMEONE should be ashamed :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 3.Dec 13:04, 2017

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 30.Nov 19:52, 2017
Those who took the risk on Belov and/or Legkov are probably disagreeing with FIS about their decision today to provisional suspend them again. Not very surprising it happened, but at the same time I am not sure they will be sentenced in CAS. But think FIS has had some pressure from IOC on this decision. And this was also the reason why I never seriously considered them, because this could happen anytime.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 26.Nov 12:55, 2017
Intense fun race by the way ... I sat on the edge of my seat last 5 minutes of the race :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 26.Nov 12:52, 2017
Unknown to me too ... both young Russians up there... looks like Klaebo will get some good fights with these guys ahead :)))

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 26.Nov 12:42, 2017
What do you say to the Russian on third place? Even younger and was unknown for the most before Ruka

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 26.Nov 12:41, 2017
Well, that confirms it ... klæbo is smart also.... not a weak spot to be seen .... so FU..... impressive....

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Saturday 25.Nov 21:08, 2017
Klæbo currently saves my team.

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Nov 13:06, 2017
Soon Klæbo is favourite in all events in the Olympics..
Wow ....

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Saturday 25.Nov 12:48, 2017
my two questionable russians in the lead at 3.1 km :P

goon1221 [BMC] Saturday 25.Nov 10:09, 2017
A BIG day for team BMC today ... 3 great norwegians in downhill in Lake Louise, Goggia the wild cat in giant Slalom in Killington and Klaebo and Bjoergen in cross country in Finland ... GO GUYS :D ..
The ski jumpers will have to wait till tomorrow... Team comp today :)))

Viktor86 [Le Tour de Brabant] Saturday 25.Nov 09:30, 2017
My, ahem, brilliant team for this season.

$ 140 Hirscher, Marcel Alpine
$ 85 Weirather, Tina Alpine
$ 80 Schempp, Simon Biathlon
$ 70 Hellner, Marcus Cross-Country
$ 70 Mononen, Laura Cross-Country
$ 65 Vlhova, Petra Alpine
$ 65 Klæbo, Johannes Cross-Country
$ 65 Kircheisen, Björn Nor.Combined
$ 60 Mölgg, Manfred Alpine
$ 60 Bailey, Lowell Biathlon
$ 60 Domracheva, Darya Biathlon
$ 60 Braisaz, Justine Biathlon
$ 40 Puchner, Mirjam Alpine
$ 40 Schlierenzauer, Gregor Ski Jumping
$ 40 Lampic, Anamarija Cross-Country

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 23:24, 2017
Version 1 ready and online.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 21:44, 2017
Major update here:

Standings next.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 16:20, 2017
Fixed for manager->athletes. Next fix is to include it ALL OVER.

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 24.Nov 16:13, 2017
- your athletes marked in yellow/pink/green on startlists, world cup lists, race results etc

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 15:10, 2017
Team display opened up.

Next in line coming suddenly:
- marking your team all over the site: results, standings etc.
- points for the teams
- standings, league standings, and weekly standings

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 14:25, 2017
My guess is, he will demand it through results... he will be great in distance as well :)

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 14:16, 2017
Wonder if Løfshus dares setting him up for last lap at the Olympic Games Relay.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 14:07, 2017
Wow Klaebo .... not a weak spot to be seen ... fastest start, highest average speed, best in the climbs and the best finish ... in both techniques.... who's gonna deny him anything this season ??

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 11:05, 2017
Klæbo in a class of his own and Ustiugov way behind

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 10:53, 2017
Falla, Bjørgen and Østberg, all dropes out in the prolog :D ... wow ... Nice start :D

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 10:23, 2017
I see why Tomas . .. I'm just saying .... things on the table is the way to improve :))

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 10:19, 2017
Well, she had picked the most points overall by far actually. Podium machine.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 10:18, 2017
Wonder if ANYONE has Heidi Weng at all :D TALK ABOUT being disqualified by the value system :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 24.Nov 10:16, 2017
Fourcade (150)
Bjørgen (100)
Ustiugov (100)
Mini-Bø (85)
Vonn (80)
Klæbo (65)
Halfvarsson (60)
Svindal (60)
Domracheva (60)
Braisaz (60)
Hirvonen (50)
Ligety (40)
Bolshunov (30)
Morat (30)
Kobayashi (30)

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 10:12, 2017
Fourcade (150)
Bjørgen (100)
Krogh (85)
Schempp (80)
Vonn (80)
Althaus (70)
Klæbo (65)
Seidl (65)
Svindal (60)
Braisaz (60)
Hauser (50)
Hendrickson (45)
Kobayashi (30)
Chervotkin (30)
Bolshunov (30)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Friday 24.Nov 10:11, 2017
so lets hear some teams now.

120 laura dahlmeier
100 marit bjørgen
90 lara gut
90 kjetil jansrud
80 lindsey vonn
80 sofia goggia
65 johannes høsflot klæbo
60 darya domracheva
60 aksel lund svindal
55 anna vieth
50 evgeniy belov
50 dawid kubacki
30 junshiro kobayashi
30 daniel huber
30 alexey chervotkin
= 990

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 10:05, 2017
Closed down. Will be up and running soon.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 09:50, 2017
Just did my 3 last changes. Peew. Farwell for now Anna Dyvik.

goon1221 [BMC] Friday 24.Nov 09:48, 2017
Alright guys, 15 minutes to deadline.... NOW is the time for some serious makeover to make sure everything goes down the drain :D

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 24.Nov 01:00, 2017
Last-minute change(s) upcoming tomorrow morning. Have changed half the team today, that is always clever to do.

Tomas [Second Coming] Friday 24.Nov 00:04, 2017
Gonna be really interesting to see how many athletes that are gonna be on all the ‘top teams’.

goon1221 [BMC] Thursday 23.Nov 23:49, 2017
I see two guys more alpine heavy thank me ... one with all alpine and one with 10 .... i like skijumping as well, so i need a couple of those too .... :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Thursday 23.Nov 23:17, 2017
good luck beating my team

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 23.Nov 21:55, 2017
Just spend the last hour changing my team so much that I can't get back to my original setup.

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Nov 17:16, 2017
The reason Bjørgen is mentioned in this context, is that she didn't pick any points last year, and since it's a 3 years calculation, i figure she will raise slow in value :)))

goon1221 [BMC] Tuesday 21.Nov 17:08, 2017
I think the concept looks fun, but I really want a more nuanced dynamic value formula ... that would open up mors tactical play, and include the athlets better ... this formula is a little too staccato i think, and leaves out a "building up a bankacount" to the Olympics strategi, without loosing too much points underway to recover ... I was toying with a thought of dropping Bjørgen forexample, and go for sheeper up and coming athlets in stead, but the movement in value, will not be good enough for a strategi like that .... hope that is something we can look at for next year :)))

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 21.Nov 16:39, 2017
Regarding stadings:

There will be leaderboards for the overall, for each league, and for every game week. Meaning we got a competition every week (18 weeks total if Andyman are counting correctly).

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 21.Nov 16:36, 2017
@Boris: FC will never ever be reduced to "just a season" fantasy.

We had todo something with the winter fantasy with all the deadlines, and the few people competing in the overall. First idea was to include more races each time within the old model, to make 4 competitions for the whole season for each sport (both men and women).

Then we toyed around with this idea, and had so much fun setting up demo-teams that we just decided to gather input from several other here, and almost all gave really positive feedback.

(Still there is the possibility that we would do some mini competitions on the old model during the season.)

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Tuesday 21.Nov 15:56, 2017
old game lacked participants because there were too many deadlines. the winter fantasy will have more than 100 managers, so thats very good

boris03 [Cycling lions] Tuesday 21.Nov 15:51, 2017
Imagine FC reduced to just season fantasy... Doesn't sound so cool I think...

boris03 [Cycling lions] Tuesday 21.Nov 15:50, 2017
:( This new game is okay, but your normal winter manager was the best wintersports game online :(

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Monday 20.Nov 20:05, 2017
Hopefully not, this will be the new normal winter manager. But there could be an old winter manager to the Olympics.

boris03 [Cycling lions] Monday 20.Nov 19:53, 2017
Will there be normal winter manager this year?

Tomas [Second Coming] Monday 20.Nov 17:44, 2017
All athletes from Ski Jumping and Alpine that has taken World Cup points so far this season, and wasn't already in our game, are added to the mix.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Sunday 19.Nov 20:08, 2017
It is very likely that everybody with 2018 WC-points will be added to the game tomorrow. And that will be the last change in the athlete mix before start on Friday.

Akira67 [Team-G] Sunday 19.Nov 17:39, 2017
maybe you can insert (at 30) all missing athletes, already with points in WC 2017-2018 and/or in the top30 WChampionships 2017

Akira67 [Team-G] Sunday 19.Nov 17:11, 2017
my opinion...
all athletes out of the pre-season model lists must to be available only according to the results of the formula and only from the first changes window

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 16:48, 2017
Aaaand he wins :D

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 15:52, 2017
Junshiro Kobayashi tied second after first run :D i guess he will be pickable tomorrow then :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 19.Nov 15:27, 2017
young talents would be covered by that quick fix. but it wouldnt include all veterans who are now back from injury/retirement/illness/pregnancy/whatever

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 19.Nov 14:47, 2017
Regarding new athletes into the game. A search-box to add would work nice - but as I then would want it added for ALL players we could en up with people adding left, right and center.

Idea regarding adding athletes not in the game: maybe we should start by adding all that had a top 5 overall position for all continental-cups last season and summer cups this season. Combined with all that gather world-cup points in an ongoing season.

@Epo: would that fix your request?

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 12:28, 2017
Good answer Tomas .... seems like you thought this through .... and I agree, i should mention summer grand Prix ....

This is good enough for me in the time being, but I wish for a more nuanced, dynamic active value movement in the future, which opens up for a weekend to weekend game with alot of action a changing of athlets :)))

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 19.Nov 12:25, 2017
"Also I would like no extra adding of athletes outside of the formula. Are they good enough they will turn up by themself."

whats wrong with a (search) function that allows you to add unlisted athletes at $25 or $30? there are a couple interesting outside picks that cant be selected

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 19.Nov 11:59, 2017
@Goon: I really like your input. By posting here we also let others be part of our manager-discussions. I'm not taking it as critique, more that I've been unclear on the priced at 30 bracket.

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 19.Nov 11:57, 2017
First thing first. We decided to go with 15 athletes each team, to get all teams to pick full squads we decided a bottom price at 30, so you wouldnt pick the 7 most expensive going in with under 10 picked. This is now displayed in the way that athletes are unpickable if you dont have 30 to spare for each spot on your team.

A bottom value of 30 means that ALL athletes not qualified for the next price level of 35 will be set to 30 in value. Since there is A LOT of active athletes in our database we had to make some kind of criteria to be valued/choosable in the game (example: for cross-country we have ALL national championships, Eastern Europe Cup with up to 300 on the startlist and lots of other fancy pancy races) .
Meaning you had to rank up x-no WC-rank pts over the last two years, or have a high placing in the last WSC (example: Ebba Andersson).

We used a formula to set all riders to a "WC-point" ranking based on the 3 last seasons with the value of 2017=55%, 2016=30% and 2015=15% - after that we combined it with World Championships at double one single world cup race point value.
This gave us a base list where we toyed around with different ways of making this value represent a set price for our game. With this split over 3 seasons we managed to get athletes like coming into the sport circus up in price, while at the same time reflecting former glory. Our goal was that the system should control the whole thing - that no person should have to go in and set that value up, or that value down.

Regarding Kobayashi. He did not qualify within the model pre-season. But will be added by the formula if he delivers in todays competition.

Also I would like no extra adding of athletes outside of the formula. Are they good enough they will turn up by them self.

Our pricing system is not perfect, and I'm never gonna argue for that. But during our testing (that you was part of Goon) we tweaked the numbers so that it would be hard to spend your budget, while still getting a good team.

This is also season 1 for this. So we will learn and discuss and make it even better for next year (or maybe there is a Special Olympic Winter Games Competition coming up?).

So instead of screaming out about Kobayashi - I would prefer you suggested something like "based on S-GP results this summer he should be in the game, shouldn't he? Maybe we should tweak it so that winners, or repeated top-placers, in that and that cup should be selectable?" :)

PS! I'm really happy that you enjoy it so much so far that you voice your opinions both here and in private discussions with me.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 11:50, 2017
Why else would you send me a bunch of private messages asking me what i think ?

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 11:46, 2017
And Tomas ... you don't like to be questioned do you .... complaining ? You know, i save my complaining to the gouvenment and my mom ..... this is observations of a weakness in this game, mentioned by me in order to try to help improve ... I thought that what you wanted from me ....

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 11:38, 2017
Aaaand we're back EPO :D:D couldn't resist it could you :D

Erythropoietin [Erythropoietin] Sunday 19.Nov 11:28, 2017
its his time of the month :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 19.Nov 11:26, 2017
I frankly dont understand what you are complaining about. But will answer from a computer in 10min time.

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 10:59, 2017
Well Tomas, as you explained, and I understood ... thousand of athlets worth 30 is just stupid ... and THATS my point .... I question the value system .... surprised ? :D ... I guess not :D

If the system alowes junshiro Kobayashi to enter the game, please tell me why

If you enter him just becaus i'm barking for him, i loose all interest for this game ....

Tomas [Second Coming] Sunday 19.Nov 10:09, 2017
Well ofc there will be child diseases since its new. As I have tried to explaine to you to not have a couple of thousand athletes valued at 30 making the game more complex, we set in a minimum cirteria.

We wanted to make the system/pricing be based on the formula alone, without anyone bumping up/down atletes. Thats why we did several versions and testing before launcing. There will be athletes with to high, or to low (hey Riiber, looking at you), value, but thats your job as a team manager to figure out.

And to follow up on the point of your rambling post; Junshiro Kobayashi now obviously matches the criteria and will be auto-added by the system on monday (tomorrow)..

goon1221 [BMC] Sunday 19.Nov 08:45, 2017
Junshiro Kobayashi .... at the time, Japans best skijumper is NOT pickable for this game .... the children's diseases are starting to reveal themselves :D
Caused by this PRETTY staccato value system with a maximum of 150 and a minimum of 30 calculated over a 3 years periode of time ....

It goes without saying that this will exclude any practitioners, and limit the possibilities in this game

I'm just saying :D

Tomas [Second Coming] Saturday 18.Nov 17:31, 2017
Andyman got it right - I will fix it first thingy monday morning. I'll even add the possibility to ask to join.

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Saturday 18.Nov 11:29, 2017
This function will be available on Monday. I know it already should be there now.

Salihovic [Bitehagen Skiklub] Friday 17.Nov 22:33, 2017
How do one go into one's private league to check who has become a participant?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Friday 17.Nov 18:03, 2017
Should be there now

Bjørnli [Team Bjørnli] Friday 17.Nov 17:53, 2017
henrik labbe lund is missing in the biathlon in fantasy can you add him?

Andy [Luxembourg Finest] Thursday 9.Nov 19:57, 2017
World Cup points counts. So the winner of stages in Nordic Opening and World Cup Final gets 50 points and overall winner get 200. Same goes to Tour de Ski, only winner there 400 points. Bonus points counts for normal WC races (not those in Tours). This to make it simple. The reason why bonus points in Tours doesn't count is that those doesn't give WC points, only bonus seconds.

Akira67 [Team-G] Thursday 9.Nov 19:45, 2017
Hi Tomas.
I think this Fantasy is very challenging and cool. I really like it
About cross-country i was wondering if the points-system of the multi-day events (Nordic Opening, WC Finals and Tour de Ski) are the same of official FIS points for stages and final standings? and if are included the bonus points Audi quattro ?

Tomas [Second Coming] Thursday 9.Nov 08:41, 2017
Hit the fantasy button on top of the site and gather your team of 15 athletes from your budget of 1000. Rules should be explained there. Scream out if there is anything.

boris03 [Cycling lions] Thursday 9.Nov 07:47, 2017
Can anyone explain me what's this?

Tomas [Second Coming] Tuesday 7.Nov 20:48, 2017
We are introducing a new concept for our fantasy game. Choose your 15 athletes combined from all sports within a budget of 1.000. Enjoy!